Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Youth Protection and Two-Deep Leadership
Youth Protection and Two-Deep Leadership
Daniel D. Hammond, Sr
Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:41:08 -0800
><snip>< Whether or not the BSA
> policy and/or YP Guidelines require two-deep
> leadership ><snip><
A point of order, that has been stated during previous
rounds of this circular discussion :~)
"Two deep leadership" and "YP" are separate issues."
I've been a bit busy in Seattle this week, so I'm weighing
in on this thread a bit late. The shouting below is
completely and absolutely intentional.
I've said this before on this list, I'll say iut again, this
time with feeling, "TWO-DEEP LEADERSHIP IS ONE OF THE
BARRIERS TO ABUSE WE CREATE AS APRT OF YOUTH PROTECTION!"
The other barriers are:
No One-on One Contact
Respect of Privacy
Proper Preparation for Activities
No Secret Orgainzations
To answer Neil's orginal question, "No, Neil. There is no
WRITTEN BSA policy that makes Two-Deep Leadership apply to
The POLICY is trips and outings require Two-Deep
Leadership. The spirit of the policy is clearly that two
adults should be present for any interactive activities.
The concept that some have espoused here, that Two-Deep was
cerated so that trips and outings can continue if one adult
becomes ill or injured is FLAT WRONG. If that were the
case, you would combine the Two-Deep with the ill-or-injured
argument and have to have "Three-Deep Leadership" for trips
Once again TWO-DEEP LEADERSHIP IS ONE WAY WE CREATE BARRIERS
TO ABUSE. I would be cautious about any leader that insists
on a literal interpretation of only those policies that are
Yours in ScOUTing,
Daniel D. Hammond, Sr.
CM Pack 225 and Black Hills District Committee
I used to be an Owl (W-CS-44) Working my Ticket
"A fisherman does not bait his hook with food he likes.
He uses food the fish likes. So with boys." --Lord Robert