Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Buddhism and Duty to God
Buddhism and Duty to God
Sat, 4 Dec 1999 04:58:38 -0800
Rick said in part:
Baden-Powell found this same transcendence in the
feelings of awe and wonder inspired by the
contemplation of nature...
In _Scoutmastership_ Baden-Powell also wrote that
"Duty to God" is NOT a "loyalty oath to God"...
It does not seem consistent to me that we would go to
the founder of Scouting's views to define how the BSA
interprets religious duty and;
On a couple of other subjects such as financial
structure of the BSA and one of the three "G"'s the
BSA, the BSA official spokesperson and others have
tried to distance themselves from Baden-Powell to the
People that are in positions to communicate to the
multitudes have distanced the BSA from him and used
his beliefs to demonstrate that certain religions were
above others in his estimation.
Is their any wonder that certain people would not
allow a Buddhist Scout to join their troop?
I would tend to air towards inclusiveness in allowing
participation and follow the wise council that
religion should be the domain of the parents and
I think the BSA is becoming more sectarian by
espousing the beliefs of certain religions above
Shields said the Boys Scouts of America was founded
two years after Baden-Powell launched the Scouts in
Great Britain and is a separate organization.
``Baden-Powell was never a member of Boy Scouts of
America,'' Shields said.
- Gregg Shields 8/99
To B-P ideals of service could not be separated from
Christianity and Christian ideals were THE ideals. I
think he really did separate Christian ideals as
higher than Hindu and Jewish ideals. If that is what
you define as bigotry, so be it, but that is what he
thought. I don't defend it, I just recognize it. He
was a man of his times and he was very English. Read
his works. However he found good in many different
religions and his idea of multiculturalism was to live
peacefully with other beliefs.
- Bill Nelson 6/99
The Current Boy Scout of America Handbook: "Founders"
referenced in the index:
Baden-Powell 12/Seton 1/Boyce 2/Beard 2/West 0
(Although the index is off a bit, because West is on
page 433 - there may be other errors too...)
This is the Boy Scouts of America Handbook.
Previously, someone whom I respect had put forward:
The BSA as we know it, from my understanding & reading
on the history of the BSA, is as much the product of
Seton and Beard as it is BP's; and that West, while
not exactly a founder, was one of the most influential
leaders we've had. The BSA is one of the more unique
scout associations in WOSM, I understand, in a number
of respects -- and this is due to the contributions of
Seton and Beard in the early days to BP's model.
The Scoutmaster Handbook admonishes adult leaders:
"Be consistent in what you say and do". Youths notice
when adults have one standard for them and another for
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