Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Re: Leader Recognition Knots
Re: Leader Recognition Knots
Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:02:11 -0600
I need to preface this posting by the usual statement that I send to folks
privately asking me the same things:
YOU ARE NOT "EARNING A KNOT." You are working on or earning a TRAINING
AWARD or TRAINING KEY. The "KNOT" is what you get to wear INFORMALLY. The
ACTUAL AWARD consists of a medal and certificate. The "knot emblem" is made
so that you don't have to wear the medal everywhere and get it all messed up.
All of the Cub Scouting, Boy Scouting and now Venturing training awards and
keys are just that -- training awards or training keys. The key is earned
by the "Key leader" and the training award earned by all other volunteers
supporting the "Key leader."
Now with that rant out of the way *whew*, D Roberts wrote and asked:
>We have a question that has arisen in our district pertaining to the adult
>leader recognition knots. We know the requirements for earning each knot.
>The question comes in as to a time limit for submitting the request for the
>knots. For example:
>Leader one is in a pack for 7 years and has never turned in a request for
>knots. The leader has completed the requirements for DL, WDL & Scouter
In other words, he met the requirements for the Den Leader Training Award,
the WEBELOS Den Leader Training Award and the Cub Scouters' Training Award.
Okay...with you so far...The big question I have is "Did he meet the
requirements according to the CURRENT SET OF REQUIREMENTS or did he meet the
requirements according to a form that he's been holding for those seven years?"
It DOES make a BIG DIFFERENCE, as the training awards and keys have changed
in SEVEN YEARS. A little, but enough to make a committee say "WHOAA!! Let's
>Along comes the CC who has the leader complete all the paperwork for
>these positions. He then submits the three requests to district. District is
>struggling with this. It seems that they do not want to award this leader
>for past service, stating that the leader should have completed the
>paperwork at the end of each term.
Stupid, but they can do this if they choose to do so. The District Training
or Advancement Committee (depending on Council) has the responsibility for
approving all training awards and keys. It's stupid...really stupid, but if
a District wants to deny themselves three more training awards at the end of
the year, and if the District Executive or senior professional in that
Council is okay with that (betcha he or she doesn't even know about it!),
then yeah, they can restrict the submission of training awards or keys to
those periods of service with a "deadline" of submitting them for them to be
Basically, what they are REALLY struggling with, D, are three questions. I
raised the first one earlier: "Did he earn the award using TODAY's
requirements or YESTERDAY's requirements?" This is followed by "How do we
justify awarding this person three training awards at one time when *I* (or
*WE*) did it
the "right way", one at a time and turning the card in to get it approved??"
The followup question is "Will this encourage others to "hold up all of
their training awards until a set time and then turn them all in?"
>Our feelings are that if the leader has completed all the requirements for
>the awards they should be presented to them.
With you there, D. Additionally, if for WHATEVER REASON (pride, movement
out of the country, etc., ) the card was delayed for months or years, if the
Scouter *met all of the requirements and can show those requirements being
met*, then he or she is entitled to a "backdated" training award or key (or
other award), backdated to show the period of service rendered and presented
to the Scouter along with the square knot or other uniform insignia at an
For instance. If a Scoutmaster completed Cornerstone Training in 1975 (at
that time, the basic training course for Scoutmasters and other Boy Scouting
volunteers); have attended 36 Roundtable meetings within a five-year period
(but then stopped going to Roundtable...has never set foot at a Roundtable
meeting since 1981); and has trained his Senior Patrol Leader and completed
five of the eight other requirements for the Key....he should earn the Key
if he can PROVE that he attended Cornerstone (by the training certificate
card or by the initals on the training card or form) and met the other
requirements (by certification of his Commissioner).
But that's going to be a VERY STRONG ARGUMENT for NOT granting the
Scoutmasters' Key Award based on TODAY's requirements, which include the
attainment of Quality Unit (something which didn't exist back then...they
had Honor Unit, NOT the same thing!) two years of five.
See what I mean?? If he uses the requirements at the time of his "calling"
as Scoutmaster, yeah, he may have met the requirements; but training awards
and keys are based on CURRENT REQUIREMENTS.
>What would happen if a Tiger Coach works for one year then moves on to other
>positions. Then returns to the pack with son number two ten years later and
>works for another year as Tiger Coach can we not present this leader with
>the Tiger Coach award because his service was not consecutively served?
Every five years, ALL of the training awards and key requirements are
revised to reflect current training demands and acheivements which should be
met. So, if I started out as a Tiger Den Coach this year, meeting the
requirements under the present 1999-2000 requirements; then, when my son
becomes a Cub Scout, I step back until my second son becomes a Tiger Cub
(say, five years from now), I will have to meet the requirements AS THEY
EXIST AT THAT TIME in order to earn the Tiger Coach Training Award.
If the newer requirements state that I must have been a Tiger Cub Coach for
three years as opposed to two; if the new requirements state that I must be
certified as completed the Youth Protection Program I and II and the Cub
Scout Leaders' Basic Training course and Wood Badge, those are the
requirements I must meet AT THAT TIME to earn the Training Award. My 1999
card won't be a bit of good in 2005!
That's the most important reason why Training Committees and chairs need to
emphasize the importance of not just "completing the requirements" and
keeping the training committee busy, but also getting the card or form
initialed and turned in so that it can be posted, approved and the award(s)
presented at an appropriate UNIT-LEVEL occassion.
Hope all of this helps out!
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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