Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Re: Out of Council Troops must pay more?
Re: Out of Council Troops must pay more?
Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:26:04 -0500
<Joel Korczynski wrote>
Why does any council charge more for the same site to an out of council unit
verses an in council unit? I just had a run in with a council who wanted to
charge 150% of the normal fee just because we are out of council.
There are a couple reasons some councils charge more to out-of-council
units. As several have already mentioned, in-council units spend a lot of
time and money supporting their council camp with fundraising, maintenance,
and fees for camp use.
To use Great Trail Council as an example, it costs out-of-council units
about $15 more per Scout to camp at Manatoc. According to our Camping
Committee, there are two reasons for this: 1) out-of-council troops do not
contribute to Great Trail's FOS or other fundraising efforts; 2)
out-of-council troops keep local units from being able to use the camp.
A 150% charge to out-of-council units seems a bit excessive. It could be
that that council is trying to discourage outside units from using its camp.
That sounds a bit un-Scoutlike, but the sad truth may be that local units
are complaining that they can never use the camp because all of the
Does it cost the camp 50% more to host my unit? If so what is it that I am
paying the extra amount for? They tell me they must charge this to cover
their costs. What cost? No one could answer that one. Are we not all Scouts?
Aren't we doing this for the boy's? It seems to me that charging more for
the same site to an out of council unit is taking unfair advantage of the
out council units. JM
No, it doesn't cost us more to host an out-of-council unit. The extra cost
helps pay for camp maintenance and such. It basically makes up for the FOS
and other funds local units earn for the local council. Yes, you earn the
same money, but it goes to YOUR council who uses it for YOUR camp. It may
not seem fair, but it is.
I'll give you a real example. My troop is in Great Trail Council. We raise
funds for our council through FOS, Popcorn, and the fees we pay for use of
our council camp. All of that helps keep the cost of summer camp down.
Unfortunately, GTC has a pretty popular camp and, since the troop didn't go
to camp in 1996 and 1997, we ended up going to another camp in 1998 (Manatoc
was full by March). Buckeye Council, which runs the camp we went to, charges
a little extra to out-of-council troops as well, so we ended up paying more
for summer camp.
If it wasn't for this surcharge, it would be nearly impossible for us to
even think about getting a reservation at Manatoc, and Seven Ranges would
fill up a lot quicker than it does (the only reason 7R isn't full by March
is that it's bigger). There are those in GTC, and probably those in Buckeye,
who feel out-of-council troops should be barred from their local camp. In
both councils, there are troops who have a hard time getting reservations at
their local camp and end up having to go to another council's camp (not
because they want to). There are also troops who pay more and travel farther
because they don't like something or someone at their local camp (or, as in
our case, their Scouts insist on going to the camp they know).
A. J. Mako, firstname.lastname@example.org, SM Troop 381 http://www.Scouts381.org/
Old Portage District, Great Trail Council, BSA
"I used to be an Eagle (C-7-97), but I'll always be an Eagle (1981)"