Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Re: Youth Protection - What's the straight word?
Re: Youth Protection - What's the straight word?
Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:21:18 -0800
BSA policies on YP are found in the Guide to Safe Scouting, where it states
"Bold type denotes BSA rules and policies." However, as most of us have
discovered, there are various policy-like statements in other publications.
Sometimes these suggest additional rules or restrictions and sometimes they
make the policy a bit ambiguous. I promote a conservative approach that
tries to satisfy the policies and all the guidelines and suggestions,
whereever they are found. I consider the information in the SM handbook to
be a very valuable additional guideline and one way to interpret and apply
the policies, but it is not the policy itself.
YP policies cover more than just abuse protection strategies. They also
deal with safety. Two-deep leadership, as I understand it and as we teach
it around here, specifically states that two registered adult leaders or a
registered leader and a parent of a participant are required for trips and
outings. While this also satisfies the "no one-on-one" rule, that is
coincidental to the primary purpose of two-deep leadership, which is to
insure that an adult leader and a backup are present to provide leadership
and for physical safety reasons. To me, the two-deep leadership rule is
clearly different than the "no one-on-one" rule because it specifies
registered leaders for a limited set of activities.
The "no one-on-one" rule applies at all times, and applies to non-registered
as well as registered persons. The SM handbook adds a wrinkle for SM
conferences that says that the conference must be conducted in sight of
another adult. That adult, as I interpret it, does not have to be
registered, does not become the number 2 leader in that situation, and does
not have to be a party to the conference. They just have to be aware that
the conference is in progress. In our troop we usually do SM conferences
with both the SM and an ASM present, but sometimes it's just the SM and the
scout, off in the corner of the room and observable by other adults.
Your unit, district, or council may promote more restrictive practices, such
as two adults everywhere all the time, even in the car. It's OK to be more
careful than the policy states, but not required.
ASM, Troop 573, Woodinville, WA
District Chairman, North Lakes District
Chief Seattle Council
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:06:34 -0500
> From: Bob Myers <focus@FUSE.NET>
> Subject: Re: Youth Protection - What's the straight word?
> Several folks on the list, even some normally well informed ones, have
> that two-deep leadership is a different issue than YP. This may have been
> true at some point in the past, but I don't believe it is now true. Page
> 134 of the SM Handbook list the very first YP POLICY as "two-deep
> leadership". I think it would be safe to say that the 2-deep policy is a
> component of both BSA's general safety policies and its YP policies. YP
> POLICY does not just say "no one-on-one" (item 2 on the list), it also
> "two-deep leadership" (meetings excluded but SM conferences, etc.
> I'm not sure agree with the SM conference part, but that's what it says.