scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: Re: CS/BS training and Webelos
Mark Elias (Mark.Elias@AIT5.AMERITECH.COM
Sun Nov 28 1999 - 17:14:55 CST
Rik Bergethon wrote:
> Too many times the WDL is the parent of one of the boys in the den and
> has moved up through the ranks with his/her son from Tiger Cubs, thus
> took only the basic cub leader training, three or four years ago. Should
> we require more, specialized Webelos leader training?
The answer is YES. And that training is already available in the
Webelos Den Leader breakout session of Cub Leader Basic Training. The
flaw is letting Cub Scouters think that attending a single session of
CLBT is enough. Every time they change jobs in Cub Scouting, they
should return to take the breakout session associated with that
position. If they don't, then they are no longer "Trained".
In our district, because of the differences in each phase of the Cub
Scout program, we encourage leaders to come back for the 1 1/2 - 2 hr
breakout session specific to their job. In the case of the hypothetical
parent mentioned who starts out as a Tiger Cub Coach, they would be
expected to attend a full CLBT, a session specific to Den Leaders the
next year, then a Webelos Den Leader session two years later. (They
should also attend Scoutmastership Fundamentals, too, if they also
transition to Boy Scouts as a leader - but that is another issue.)
> The Webelos to Scout transition needs to be done year-round. It needs
> to be mentioned at every Round Table. Webelos leaders need to get
> the boys used to patrols, outdoors, cooking, etc.
The idea of the extra leader training is just that, to show the leaders
how the program evolves over the five years of Tiger Cubs to Webelos
and onwards to Boy Scouts. You can't do this at one time or you confuse
people as to what they are expected to do. Does the new leader foster
one on one parent involvement (Tigers Cubs), do they ask parents to
actively help with advancement (Wolves & Bears), or do they start to
wean parents out of the advancement process (Webelos) to prepare the
boys AND THEIR PARENTS for the boy-run Boy Scouts program?
Good trainers know they methods each segment of the program should
employ and re-trained leaders can help make the transition, not just
from Webelos to Boy Scouts, but from Tiger Cubs to Wolves and from
Bears to Webelos. We ask a lot of Cub Scout leaders in that their
program changes several times in less than 5 years time, where the Boy
Scout program involves no major changes in philosophy over a 7 year
period (the maximum time a single Boy Scout can be active in the
> So here is my question to all the District Training Chairs, Mike
> Bowman, Mike Walton, Alan Houser, Anthony Mako and others: how do we
> get the needed training to: 1) Webelos leaders who are getting tired
> of all this training;
The biggest problem, in my opinion, is that Cub Scout leaders are
typically parents of the Cubs and are only active for as long as their
son stays in the program. How many of you know of Den Leaders that stay
on for many years after their sons advance to Boy Scouts? The rapid
turnover of Cub Scout leaders and multiple changes in the program from
year to year make continued training and re-training of Cub Scout
leaders a number one priority. Let's not stop at how to run a den of
Tiger Cubs or Wolves. We need to make attendance at training sessions
as easy as possible and reinforce the need for re-training at all
levels of the program.
This year our district also went to a two night a week CLBT program.
The core program was held the first night, the breakout sessions were
held two nights later. We ran this program first on a Monday -
Wednesday, then a Tuesday - Thursday. This was in addition to the day
long Saturday session. The goal was to make it as easy as possible to
get people to get trained and, equally as important, re-trained. I
believe overall attendance was up, but I don't have numbers on how many
people had come back for just for re-training (although I think this
number was higher too).
I guess we do whatever we have to "to keep the promise".
District Trainig & Advancement Committees
Detroit Area Council