scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: P.E.T.A.
Mike Montalvo (mike_montalvo@YAHOO.COM
Fri Nov 26 1999 - 07:16:15 CST
There is clearly a "disconnect" between what was
reported in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram and what you
"But the troop scoutmaster last night said that there
never was a plan to kill a chicken. Nevertheless,
after the uproar, he canceled the planned outing,
saying he was concerned that animal-rights activists
would disrupt the Scouts.
"Nothing is going to be killed this weekend or in the
future," Bedford Troop 86 Scoutmaster Joe Marsh said.
"I have very little idea where this got started."
Joe Marsh just posted:
"I thought we checked pretty well before this came up
and did not find anything but I for sure am not all
knowing and there are people who do not think I am the
wisest individual around. We did clear this event with
our Charter Organization and had the approval of the
session and the Charter Organization Rep."
I would ask first off.
Is it REALLY the BSA's (National/official) stance that
NO killing should occur as part of any scout program
or is the Council reacting improperly?
I think the repeated incidence of a Council
spokesman's (see Dallas) inability to accurately or
properly address the matter is of concern.
Have the Fishing and Animal Science badge requirments
Poultry Option: "Kill and dress two birds."
My father (an ex-marine) taught me during hunting and
fishing that you never killed more game than you
planned to eat or give to others to eat. I didn't
particularly enjoy hunting (Quail, Dove, Duck, etc..)
but I really enjoyed fishing (Texoma, Cedar Creek,
Lake Tawokoni mainly). He taught me a healthy respect
for the environment and ecology. I was also taught
that it was important to have and stay within the
legal licensing bag limits.
To a point, I can understand an organization reacting
to what they might perceive (wrongly) as a cruelty to
animals but I don't see education flowing the other
way in response.
Did you not see the discussion or hear of the ruckus
caused in Dallas last year when Circle 10 had a
My personal opinion is that a troop should be
sensitive to the feelings of it's participants and
discuss and plan ahead with parents these types of
activities. In additional, laws regarding the activity
(local too) should be properly considered.
I personally would not want to participate in the
chicken thing but that is not to say that I would
prevent others from doing so if it was done in a
learning environment, in a humane manner, with
informed consent and the results were consumed.
It might also be worthwhile to plan alternate
activities for those that choose not to participate.
I think the BSA (National) should communicate (did
they do it after Dallas last year?) with councils and
outline the proper response since such knowledge in
certain council spokespersons seems lacking.
Heck, one would think that a Council representative
would bring out some of the following rather that
reacting in a knee-jerk manner.
That Scouts are taught a healthy regard for the
environment and animals. That they try to follow all
laws in this matter (and it seems per your post that
NO laws were broken). That safety is of primary
importance. That proceeding in a humane manner is
important. That only those Scouts that wish to
participate, do so. (Informed pre-consent by parents
might head off some headaches.)
The Boy Scout manual has many examples of proper
citizenship in this regard that will demonstrate this.
We can't all be vegetarians! (See page 280 of BSA
A recent study stated that 25% of families are now
"non-traditional" families. It should be applauded
that many men and women volunteers in Scouting take
the time to teach and instill skills in youth that
they otherwise might not have.
Some will object that this includes gaming and animal
Some background references:
Ghost of Mr. Chicken haunts Boy Scouts?
November 21, 1999 - Ft. Worth
Spring/Summer 1998 - Dallas
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