scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: Re: Consistant "rules" of Scouting (2/2) - part 1
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blackeagle@SCOUTER.NET
Thu Nov 25 1999 - 15:26:56 CST
I'm having to break this up into two parts as well to respond to you; sorry.
This is the first part....
You wrote in response to my posting from Ed Dunn:
>Mike, I have a great deal of respect for you, but I do
>not agree with national BSA professionals not having
>to be "these role models".
The Chief Scout Executive is not in the same league, to me anyway, as the
Indianhead Council or the Viking Council's Scout Executive. Those gentlemen to
me are more of a role model for their volunteers than anyone on the national
A good example: (Council Commissioners can't answer this question; you
should know it.) Who is the National Commissioner of the BSA?
I'll wait a while...while most Scouters reveal signs of "scratchy-head
Yes, the BSA has a national volunteer National Commissioner. And an
International Commissioner too. I'll take *either name*. Mr. Graves is not
the *current person*.
And my personal choice, Mr. Robert Gates (the former CIA Director), well,
he's not either. Come on, let's hear the names.... (if nobody can come up
with the answer(s), I'll post it in a subsequent posting).
But ask any *active* Scouter at the Council level who is his or her
Council's Commissioner, and they can either recite the name or go find a
Council publication with his or her name on it ans show or tell me. Even if
they've never met the person before in their life!
>Especially Chief Scout Executives (Scout comes before Executive as you
pointed >out to me in the past...) whose image and letter begins the current
>on page iii.
The Chief Scout Executive (and you did remind me correctly, btw!!) is
foremost an adminstrator over the BSA's day-to-day programming and
REPRESENTS those volunteers that are supposed to be providing us leadership
and direction. His photo appears on the starting pages of the Scout
Handbook (in MY opinion only) because we now longer have a "Green Bar Bill"
type out there to welcome Scouts into the program. I would love to see the
National President -- or National Commissioner (that would be a GREAT job
for him or her!)'s photo and welcome message there....it would remind the
Scout that Scouting is a volunteer organization and not a "big business"
(which it *is*).
>Do BSA professionals have to subscribe to the Scout
>Oath and Law?
Well, in actuality, professionals subscribe to the Scout Executive's Code, a
copy I've got around here...(*looking through binder to find personal copy*
And no, professionals, I never did commit the Scout Executive Code to memory)
>Does being a professional and administrator give them the leeway to act
>National Scout professionals are not just "managers and administrators".
>When Jere Ratcliffe lectures Japanese scouts (March 98) on gun safety he is
acting >in the capacity of a professional AND a role model.
No more than when American businessmen and women come to Japan or Korea or
Germany and lectures individuals on the way Americans do business, or how
Americans use computing facilities. When American military people lecture
students in our schools, they are not looked upon as "role models" but more
of "people having a job or role."
>When "professionals" don't follow their own mandated policies and
procedures for >maintaining standards when dismissing individuals they are
>professional nor scoutlike.
I grant you that when folk don't follow the established rules set up to
provide uniformity and equity among all local Councils, it may be neither
professional nor in the best interests of the program as seen from the
outside. But Mike, we have those same problems with so many other elements
of the BSA's stated national policies and procedures illustrated right here
every day as part of the daily discussion of this list.
In many of those cases, the Council decided that in the best interests of
the youth residing in their territory, that they made or make the decision
they chose to make.
And because we volunteers ALLOWED them to do so with little or no
intervention or dissention (or care!), the "bending or breaking" of the
nationally-mandated policy or procedure sticks and everyone goes back to
doing whatever it is we were doing previously. The justification: it
applies to people in OTHER territories having those kinds of problems. It
doesn't apply to US because I (the Council Scout Executive as that Council's
administrator; the Chief Scout Executive as the National Council's
administrator) deemed it in the best interest of the PROGRAM to do what I
did and to make the decisions I made.
"If I'm wrong, I'll either get replaced or told so by those volunteers whom
really care. If I'm right, nobody will even care and I've got other things
to do..." is the prevailing thought by *some* executives. Good thing it's
not a thought process by MOST.
>When a past BSA president (Richard Leet) tries to dismiss a 59 year
Scouters >statement in court testimony due to that Scouter no longer being
>in Scouting PRIOR to even informing him of the fact and PRIOR to an appeal
>process is that being "professional" and scoutlike?
The operative word is "tries," Mike. As I've wrote many times here and on
the USENET forum that we both participate in, there's a small difference
between "registered status" and "status" with regard to BSA membership and
leadership. Just because a person isn't a registered member, wearing the
uniform, getting the magazine, doesn't mean that that person has NO SAY in
how the program is perceived, managed and ran. Many parents, remember,
Mike, are NOT registered members and believe me, they have more of a say in
how a Pack or Troop is managed or operated than the District's Executive or
even the adult or youth leadership of the unit!
The statement stuck.
>When these professionals and administrators supply the PR spokesman (Greg
>Shields) with information that is not true nor properly considered to
>dismissal of an individual are they being "professional"?
Please don't get me started on Mr. Shields and the rest of the PR agency
responsible for "enhancing the good name and reputation of the BSA," Mike!
We both know that the agency themselves hasn't done a good nor decent job of
"telling the American public and our chartered partner organizations about
Scouting and the values we deem high enough to defend and why."
More in the followup.
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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