scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: Re: When is a CSP?
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blackeagle@SCOUTER.NET
Wed Nov 17 1999 - 21:24:59 CST
Jay Thal asked:
>Ah! A philosophical question! Like, when a tree falls in the woods...?
The basic question comes down to "Who can issue a CSP (Council Shoulder
Patch) and when does it become "official"??"
>Should a person within the Council have an opportunity to purchase it a
>sew it on a shirt? Is that when it becomes a CSP?
>Does it become a CSP when it is designed and ordered in limited edition
>and then sold in quantities outside of the council it supposedly
>Is it a CSP when persons with "inside" information order 15 or 30 or 60
>and it shows up on eBay at a great mark-up?
>Several months ago I noted whimsically that the National Capital Area
>Council's National Scout Shop has a "Y2K" variant of the standard patch
>with the Y2K in place of the trees to the right of the Jefferson
Okay...I've seen a copy of it recently...
>Now it's been confirmed that the Scout Shop ordered several other "Y2K"
>variants, including a "ghost patch" and did quantity sales outside of
>the NCAC. The SEC and Justice Department would have stockbrokers or
>CEOs up on charges for similar insider trading.
*laughter* But it's making money for the Council (or it SHOULD be, Jay)!
First, lets get everyone else in on what we're talking about, Jay.
The BSA, every local Council, some Explorer Posts/Venturing Crews/Sea Scout
Ships, and some local Council camps (and some individuals doing so for their
unit, district or Council with or without the permission of the local
Council....more on that later) creates a strip which identifies the locality
that Scouting is conducted within. These multicolored emblems are called
generically "Council Shoulder Patches" or CSPs.
Ideally, EVERY LOCAL COUNCIL HAS ONE OFFICIAL CSP. This is the CSP which
youth and adult members as well as professionals belonging to that local
Council wears on their uniform shirts.
Ideally. However, some local Councils have created "special CSPs" to
support local or national Scouting activities. The most visable examples
are for National or World Jamboree participation. This has evloved into
special CSPs for Eagle Scouts and for fundrasing reasons (the National
Capitol Area Council along with some other larger Councils have created
special "sets" of CSPs which can be purchased to support the Council's
fundraising efforts). Camp facilities have also gotten into the act,
creating special CSPs of their camp operations to be worn primarily by staff
or support staff members although some camps make them available to everyone
In ALL of those cases, the money from the sales of the patches go to support
camping operations or the general budget of the Council involved.
Some Councils, for instance Direct Service, have created special "District
CSPs" for areas of the Council with significant numbers of youth and adult
members while other Councils, for instance, new Councils like Central New
Jersey and Shawnee Trails, have created special "Charter member" CSPs to
allow members of the new Council to wear as the first members of the "new
Council." Again, the monies generated goes back to support the new Council
or the District operation in that part of the world (kinda like a painfree
Friends of Scouting campaign).
ALL of these emblems have been approved by the Council's Scout Executive and
are "legal to wear" on the field uniforms of our programs. There are
specifics which state that the official CSP should be worn by all members of
that Council while "special CSPs" can be worn for limited periods of time.
For instance, the last two Jamboree Guides state that the Jamboree Shoulder
Patch and unit numbers are to be worn enroute to and from the Jamboree and
during the Jamboree and for up to six months after the Jamboree was over.
There's another category of emblems which are designed by individuals, with
or without local Council approval, which are sold to support unit or
individual efforts or to promote an activity or event. For example, one of
my favorite CSPs that I wear is the CSP I designed for my College Scouter
Explorer Post at Eastern Kentucky. The first version wasn't approved by the
Bluegrass Council; the second version was approved because we added the
small Scout emblem onto the corners.
Very colorful and popular emblem....we wore those because our membership
crossed Council boundaries and as a promotion of the Campus Beautiful (EKU).
Other Explorer Posts or now Venturing Crews do create their own CSP to wear
instead of the unit numbers and the official CSP of the Council.
There are several areas in Direct Service (to include Central America, where
I came from) that have created special CSPs which are NOT authorized by the
Direct Service Council but were solely the creation of a individual or group
of individuals, with the money generated from their sales going back to that
Again, those are NOT "official CSPs" but MAY BE WORN if the local Council
"buys off" and says "okay." The Council's Scout Executive is the ONLY
person that can say this, however. He or she is *the* professional manager
of the Council.
This goes with any other emblem, device, or insignia item as well.
So Jay....When is a CSP an (official) CSP??
All of the above and more.
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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