scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: Re: Venting -- Venture Program
Daniel D. Hammond, Sr (hammonddL@USWEST.NET
Thu Nov 11 1999 - 16:44:52 CST
Marcia Trudeau <MarciaTX@AOL.COM> wrote:
"P.S. I used Scout-L ( lots of Scouters with years of
experience) feedback to
try to convince the new SM and ASMs into getting the PLC to
make decisions on
how to establish patrols. I said that "If a Scout can do
the work or make
the decision, then they need to as much as possible".
Well...that didn't set
too well. Boy...did I ever get yelled at tonight for even
it...and the the SM and another leader provided every reason
Now lest I get flamed for this let me state that I love Cub
Scouters, am one myself, and know that we can't get anywhere
without good Cub Scouters. Having said that, let me do a
bit of supposition. I suspect that the new Scoutmaster in
question, as well as many of the adults that took part in
the discussion are former Cub Scouters. Many don't make the
transition well from Cub Scouting to Boy Scouting. They get
used to being the ones in charge and not really trusting the
boys to make their own decisions.
I'm not an expert on the Venture Program, but I do know that
your suggestion about on involving the PLC in regards to
patrols and what amounts to patrol business, is RIGHT ON THE
MARK! The reason we added the Venture concept in troops was
to allow for experienced boys to add some challenge to their
Scouting experience. To keep them from being allowed to do
some of their own stuff is ludircrous.
The fact that boys have quit coming to meetings is an
indicator of a unit that is in poor health. You need to
consider getting some outside help. Your District
Commissioning staff is an excellent source of help in this
regard. They can often help set a troop's program back on
Another thing you need to do is to make sure all the adults
in the troop get themselves to Scoutmastership Fundamentals
training. They will learn much about the program and the
way it's designed to work. And from my own experience as a
youth, when it's allowed to work, it works well. The troop
I was in is still going strong more than 20 years later.
Don't give up hope yet. Try to get the other adults to
understand how the program is supposed to work. It's
supposed to be run by the boys and for the boys. The adults
are but resources, NOT DECISION MAKERS.
Yours in ScOUTing,
Daniel D. Hammond, Sr.
CM Pack 225 and Black Hills District Committee
I used to be an Owl (W-CS-44) Working my Ticket
"A fisherman does not bait his hook with food he likes.
He uses food the fish likes. So with boys." --Lord Robert