scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: Re: New Requirements
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blackeagle@SCOUTER.NET
Wed Nov 10 1999 - 21:18:01 CST
Let's go back to what the situation and question was, Steven:
>Another way of asking this is, her son is a First Class rank now, he
>completed Safety because it was an Eagle requirement. Can he continue
>working from the old requirement book, or does he need to start working
>from the new one. At what point does the Scout switch from the old to new.
The first part of Michelle's statement was that the friend's son is a First
Class Scout NOW (as in perhaps last month, October). This "assumes" that
he's been a First Class Scout for at least three months (which means that
the Scout earned First Class WAYYYY after the 1 April, 1999 "changeover date."
So, in the first part of my explaination to this parent, I stated:
>> "I'm sorry, but your son has to work toward Eagle using the PRESENT Boy
>> Scout Handbook. Under that handbook, Safety is no longer a "required merit
>> badge" for Eagle. You son can use that merit badge as one of the 21 he must
>> earn toward Eagle; he can use it for Star, Life and Eagle. But he can not
>> count Safety as one of the REQUIRED merit badges he must earn to become an
>> Eagle Scout."
The Scout can indeed use Safety as one of the merit badges he chooses for
Star, Life and Eagle; however, he cannot use it as a REQUIRED merit badge.
Instead, he can choose to use it as an "optional" or "selected" merit
badges. Once he chooses to use Safety (or Sports, for that matter) as a
"non-required" or "optional" merit badge, that's it.
Steven stated in part:
>As I understand it, for ranks earned prior to April 1, 1999, Safety
>*could have* been used *as an Eagle-required MB* for Star, Life or
>Eagle, and if it was so used by that date, it remains effective (as an
>ERMB) for fulfilling the requirements of any rank earned by that date.
That only applies to Eagle, my understanding. And besides, the Scout was
FIRST CLASS AFTER 1 APRIL, which means that he should be using the current
requirements ever since he became a First Class Scout.
>I know (or at least suspect) that's what you meant, but on a quick read
>(or to a parent with an agenda), your suggested explanation might be
>misconstrued to imply that Safety will continue to qualify as an ERMB
>for one of the (as yet unearned) upper ranks.
Okay, I can understand that. But that's what my second paragraph explained:
>>"Everyone has to use the new Scout Handbook and the current requirements
as >>listed in the Boy Scout Requirements book and the Scout Handbook, since
April >>1 of this year. There are very few exceptions, and all of those
exceptions deal >>with youth whom are close to Eagle. Your son has at least
another year before >>he's eligible for Eagle."
>The thorniest issue is where, for instance, Safety was used (pre-4/1/99)
>as an ERMB for Star. The question is then raised whether it should
>continue to count for the total ERMB's required for the (post-4/1/99)
>Life rank, or whether a "replacement" ERMB must be earned for Life (to
>make it even tougher, assume that Safety was earned pre-4/1/99, but just
>not used for the (pre-4/1/99) Star rank). I believe the correct answer
>is that Safety would continue to qualify for inclusion as a Life ERMB
>for the total count *only* if it was actually used for that purpose
>(i.e., for the Star rank) pre-4/1/99. In either event, the current
>requirements for Eagle must be followed, regardless of what badges were
>used (or when) for the lower ranks.
You are right that the current requirements for Eagle MUST be followed,
regardless of what badges were used (or when) for each of the lower
A Scout has to have 7 out of the "required merit badge list" for Life, and
12 merit badges (including two choices by the Scout) from the required list
to earn Eagle.
>'Course, that doesn't open the issue about whether a previously
>non-ERMB, used as an elective for pre-4/1/99 rank advancement, can now
>be counted as an ERMB under the new rules. But I'll leave that issue for
>another day! ;-)
This worked like the Family Life changeover worked a few years back, Steven.
A Scout earning Hiking, for instance, as "a non-required" merit badge now
can use this merit badge as a REQUIRED merit badge toward Eagle.
So, there could be a situation in which a Scout earns Hiking, Cycling and
Swimming and uses all three for Life; but for Eagle, the Scout has to choose
ONE from those three for Eagle. The others become "optional" or
"non-required" merit badges.
But to answer Michelle's friend's question -- he has to use the CURRENT
book, and the CURRENT requirements, which means as I concluded:
"Safety is a great merit badge to earn, and he should be proud of earning
it. He can, like I said, still use Safety as one of the 21 merit badges
needed to earn Eagle; but he can no longer use Safety as one of the 11 to
meet the "list of required merit badges."
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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