scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: No Confidence Votes?
Lori Burk (LBurk@OLATHEKS.ORG
Mon Nov 08 1999 - 11:38:48 CST
Marc, I am not sure if I can help or not. I do want to tell you of my
experience. My oldest son (now 16) was a webelo and then a scout. His first
year of scouts was in a good size city and he loved it. The next year we
moved to a small community. Only one Scout Troop and one Cub Pack. He moved
in right away and eagerly joined. There were 42 boys in the troop. The troop
had a new Scout Master. My son constantly complained about the Scout Master.
He was only 12 yrs-old but I asked him to try to handle the situation
himself. To speak to the Scout Master and have the Asst. Scout Master
present. My son did this and a few of the other boys were there too. It was
determined that they would try to learn to work together. A few weeks after
that my son was reprimanded for calling the SM a butt-head. (some stories
have humor). His discipline was not being allowed to go on the next
overnighter and giving up his position as patrol leader. When I asked him if
he did this, his answer was "yes, it just came out Mom and he really is one.
I then visited one meeting to observe. The SM was very strict and expected
the boys to conform, but I didn't see much wrong with that. So, I told my
son that he must show respect for this man's position een if he did not
respect the man. A sort time later my son quit Scouts. He said it wasn't fun
Now fast forward 4 years. My youngest son (now 6) became a Tiger Cub. The
pack in our little town was struggling. We had lost a couple of age groups.
We have Tigers, Bears, and webelos2. Of all 8 Webelos that graduated to
Scouts last year only four went on to Scouts. All four are driving 24 miles
to the next town with a Troop because they do not want to join the one in
our town. In my quest to revive our pack, I called and talked to our DE. Now
I called to talk about Cub Scouts, but somehow we ended up talking about the
Scout Troop as well. He told me of the decline of the troop and how all the
complaints are about the SM. There is no one thing he is doing wrong, but
the kids all hate him. Here are the numbers he gave me
95 42 Scouts 38 Cubs
96 34 Scouts 36 Cubs
97 27 Scouts 29 Cubs
98 16 Scouts 25 Cubs
99 6 Scouts. 16 Cubs
My point in telling you all this is ( you were wondering when I would get to
the point) that I want you listen to this complaint. Give it more
credibility than I gave my sons complaint. If I had done some real leg work
and went to more than one Scout meeting, If I had talked to some other boys.
I may have been able to save the Troop and the Pack. I was surprised at how
it rolled down hill to the Cub level. After all, the reason these kids want
to be Cub Scouts is so that they can grow into being Boy Scouts and go
camping and have adventures. Our DE is going to contact the CO and see if
they would ask the SM to step down. I am putting in lots of work trying to
revive the Pack.
From: Mark Arend [mailto:mwarend@INTERNETWIS.COM]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: No Confidence Votes?
At 11:52 AM 11/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>He's my dilemma. I am the Committee Chair. I have problem
>because I am being told (by a parent and committee member)
that his son
>is uncomfortable talking with the Scoutmaster and on the
>quitting. More so, the adult is questioning the
1-- Is this one Scout having problems with him or more. If
one, it's an
isolated incident, or a personality clash. After all, not
every kid is
going to like every leader. If several kids, it may be an
2--What is the "character" problem. Again, is it one person
problems with another, or something more serious.
I'd certainly look into it. This could be a symptom of
serious problems or
it may turn out to be nothing much.
Mark W. Arend, Scoutmaster
Beaver Dam, Wisc.