scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: Re: Additional Trained Patch for Webelos Leaders
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blackeagle@SCOUTER.NET
Sun Nov 07 1999 - 06:49:45 CST
Please forward to Wendell Brown, John.
Wendell's District Trainer hasn't talked with too many other Councils, has
The District Trainer replies:
>Isn't it strange that people have come up with so many weird letters for
>the Webelos Outdoor Leader Training? It is so simple to just call it OWL
>Training - Outdoor Webelos Leader Training. In response to the first
>letter, idea sounds cute but means adding something onto a uniform that is not
Doesn't has to be "nationally uniform." Each local Council has the
authorize special emblems and insignia for national program emphasis (like
training) conducted on a local scope. Therefore, there's nothing wrong with
your Council coming up with an "OWL" training emblem that looks like an owl
which can be worn as a temporary emblem, a special "OWL Trained" strip to
wear on the left shoulder, or a special neckerchief slide which can be worn
with the adult WEBELOS neckerchief for OWL participants.
There are Councils all over the nation, guys, that provide special patches
or other items to recognize their Scouters whom have participated in
specialized training programs.
>In response to second letter: same reply BUT National supposedly killed OWL
>as it is not even mandatory anymore. MANY councils no longer have this
>course at all.
Under the new Cub Scout Basic Leader course structure, yes, it has been
eliminated. But there are many Councils still using the Outdoor WEBELOS
Leader training course as a good way to introduce WEBELOS Cub Scouters into
the 'world of outdoor programming and activity' which many have never been
exposed to before.
>The red TRAINED strip is to be given when ANY leader completes Basic
>Training for the position held. It is not held until the Webelos leader
Now it is, but a local Council CAN change this for WEBELOS leaders or for
any other leaders. The ONLY person who has the authority to do this,
however, is the Council's Scout Executive or someone acting on his or her
behalf. And they don't want to change or modify the policy without a valid
reason for doing so....which in your Council, if your Council requires
WEBELOS Cub Scouters to take the OWL training, then it becomes a requirement
to become "basically trained" and therefore yes, the strip can be "held
until the WEBELOS Cub Scouter completes the "outdoor component to the basic
Some Councils don't allow Scouters to wear the position badge of office
without attending Youth Protection Training. They keep the position badges
of office behind the counter as a teaser and won't sell you a patch without
you producing a card certifying you've completed YPT.
Again, the Council's Scout Executive sets this policy based upon volunteer
and professional input. And each Council can indeed set it's own policy in
>Vermont calls their training WOW for Webelos Outdoor Weekend Training
>New Hampshire calls theirs OWL for Outdoor Webelos Leader Training and often
>give the learners small (temporary) patches with an OWL on them. Because we
>cannot find owl patches (other than woodbadge) in any BSA or boy scout
>source we have resorted to the Girl Scout patch suppliers for patches that
>logo but are generic = no wording for district or date. They usually cost
>95 cents or less.
Your Council can authorize you to create a special "OWL" patch.
>On a district level, the course director can come up with any gimmick that
>works. But, permanent uniform changes (Youth Protection or OWL rocker for
>patches) have to be through national.
No. It has to be *through your Council* whom receives "permission" from
National. Your Council Scout Executive ALREADY has this authority to create
or authorize special insignia to support national or Council programming.
I would set up an appointment with him and talk about what you want to do.
If it's not a large expense, and can enhance your Council's training
program, I'm sure he'll
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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