scouts-l Mail Archive for November of 1999: Re: Who "owns" a Troop?
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blackeagle@SCOUTER.NET
Tue Nov 02 1999 - 17:48:52 CST
Hi Dave and Bruce!
Man, Bruce REALLY had me pulling books and calling in stuff over the last
couple of days!!
This is an OLD reference, Bruce. but in talking with two Scout Executives
today on my lunch hour (one in Missouri and the other in Utah), the policy
I am STILL waiting on excerpts from the CURRENT BSA Administration of
Scouting or the Scout Executive's Manual which will support this; I've asked
some folks to scan/fax me only the appropriate parts so that when Bruce or
whomever asks, I can send them a copy of my copy.
This is a SUPERIOR QUESTION, Bruce! I truly mean it....It took me several
hours just to find THIS:
This is from my old Paraprofessional Manual (Southeast Region, BSA) and in
the discussion on "Financing Scouting" in Section nine, there's a
photocopied excerpt from the BSA's Rules and Regulations. Here it is in
"Guidance for the disposition of chartered units funds and property
(equipment such as tentage, cook kits, stoves, and any other material used
in the performance of Scouting by the chartered unit) is provided from the
Boy Scouts of America's Rules and Regulations, Article XI, Section 1. When
implementing this policy, you should also consult the Rules and Regulations
of your local Council for more specific instruction; or consult the Scout
Executive as the Executive Agent for all property bearing the BSA logo,
indicia, and/or clearly used in the performance of Scouting by the chartered
organization (candle holders, derby tracks, flags and flag stands, etc.).
Clause 2, Disposition of Funds Upon Termination of Local Council or Unit.
(b) Unit Obligations. In the event of a dissolution of a unit or the
revocation or lapse of its charter, the unit committee shall apply unit
funds and property to the payment of unit obligations and shall turn over
the surplus, if any, to the local Council, if there be one, or if there be
no local Council, shall dispose of the same in accordance with the direction
of the Executive Board. In the case of an institutional unit, any funds or
equipment which may have been secured as property of the unit shall be held
in trust by the institution or the chartered local Council, as may be agreed
upon, pending its reorganization or the development of other plans, with the
approval of the local Council, for the use of such funds and property in
connection with a program for character development, citizenship training,
mental and physical fitness for the youth of that institution or, by the
agreement of those involved, shall be used elsewhere for the promotion of
the program of the Boy Scouts of America."
There is additional verbage about working with the Institutional
Representative (now called Chartered Organizational Representative) and the
Council Staff member in charge of Facilities to resolve issues of storage
and maintainance; and with the Scout Executive directly in issues dealing
with retitling of automobiles, aircraft, buses and vans, nautical vessels,
and trailers of all kinds, which doesn't apply to this discussion.
The Parapro book is dated 1977, Bruce....I've got a copy of the BSA's Rules
and Regulations which state the above which is dated 1981. I do have a copy
of a more recent Rules and Regulations, but I believe that information has
been provided already here.
It's clear to me from the reading of the above, current or not, that many
Scouters were NOT "making stuff up" as they went along but rather was told
the policy as stated above....and it's clear from reading the above, that
the BSA and the Chartered organization are to be the "caretakers of BSA
materials" until such time that it's determined that Scouting will no longer
have a place within that chartered organization or the local Council
determines that it's in their best interests to reallocate the funds and/or
equipment to other units, or to liquidate them and place the proceeds back
into the general fund of that Council.
Hope this helps in the discussion....I'm enjoying it, and once again
Bruce...thanks for challenging the policy!! You're helping us all to
understand and to work out the reasons for it...
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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