Scouts-L Mail Archive for September of 1999: Re: starting OA lodge (2/2)
Re: starting OA lodge (2/2)
Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:45:44 CDT
(Part two of my response in "difficulties with managing an OA program in
>When I was in Black Eagle Lodge (Transatlantic Council) the Troops
>that were direct service from Switzerland and Saudi Arabia came to our
>Lodge to get their first members inducted, and then from there held their
>own events. Does that make sense?
Yep, except that Switzerland didn't have DSC units; Switerland is one of the
locations that DSC units camp at (the International Scout Centre is there at
Kandersteg, which is one of several places around the world where DSC Scouts
and Scouters become OA members at. I served as an adult adviser for one
such Ordeal at Kandersteg in 1985).
(Switzerland is part of the Transatlantic Council and Black Eagle Lodge).
Most times, the new members of the DSC unit became the core for the new
Chapter when they went back to Zaire or Liberia or Jordan. A Chapter is
formed using the guidelines found in the OA's Guide for Officers and
Advisors (which I've sent Tawnya a copy of a copy that I had here). In
locations without a District Executive, a volunteer should take leadership
over the Chapter's youth membership/leadership. In all cases, the new
Chapter must be registered with the Lodge, which means that you have to
inform the DSC in Irving and let them know so that they can place their
"seal of approval" on Chapter number 16.
And to answer the question about "What would DSC do?" to support the OA,
here's what DSC did in El Salvador's case:
*Contacted the American Embassy and sought their assistance to identify
American citizens residing in that country whom may be former Scouts or
Scouters. In return, the Council would send the election materials (five
copies of the OA Handbook and five copies of the Ordeal ceremony) to the
This proved to have a slight problem, as we had previously IDed two Arrowmen
working at the Embassy as part of the Marine Guard but because of security
concerns, only one of them would be available (and force protection policy
doesn't allow for "swapping out of detail" by those individuals). So a much
broader "span" (as in Honduras) had to be put into place....we found a Vigil
Honor member to do the Chief's part and another soldier that admitted later
that "I was in OA but didn't know what it was all about so I quit it and
Scouts too." Yea for the military's policy of enlisting people as young as
17 with a waiver!!
So, we had a Vigil Honor, two Brotherhood and an Ordeal member to conduct
the Ordeal ceremony.
The problem is, as all Arrowmen would know, is that the ORDEAL must be
performed by YOUTH members (those under 21 years of age). We did it, but
that was the hardest part of the whole thing. We had NO problems finding
adult Arrowmen!! Several attended.
*Arrange with the host nation's Scouting association for the usage of a
camping facility for the Ordeal. This was done in San Salavdor with a
camping facility but was nixed by the American Military Group as too much of
a potential danger. The MILGROUP arranged for the Ordeal to take place at a
Salvadorian military training facility with a backup to use the former BSA
camping facility in Panama.
*Provided the flaps, neckerchief slides and sashes along with OA Handbooks
at cost for the new members.
The Ordeal was conducted with all "parts" being read from the Ceremony books
and without ceremonial garb. All eight members succeeded in their Ordeal
and all were met by the Mighty Chief and presented with their sashes in a
less-than-perfect although impressive ceremony with clear southern skies and
a warm large fire.
Two candidates opted to undergo their Ordeal later, as they rotated back to
the States with their father.
(I can provide a better play-by-play for Arrowmen off-list for those
interested. Just want you all to know that UHT milk IS good milk and peanut
butter in any country is STILL peanut butter. And work is still work, no
matter where you go or what it is you're doing for work)
Tawnya, it CAN be done, but it CANNOT be done in a hurry. To those Arrowmen
out there who know of others going on mission or moving overseas with their
families, tell them to bring their sashes and stay in touch with the BSA,
even just with a short letter saying "I'm here!" They may NEVER know when
they may be asked to help induct new Arrowmen or assist with an Eagle Court
(Tawnya, give the Postal Service another week or so; if you haven't received
my package of materials, post me privately here and let me know; I'll send
another group out shortly!)
Hope this helped....
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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