Scouts-L Mail Archive for September of 1999: Re: starting OA lodge (1/2)
Re: starting OA lodge (1/2)
Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:44:38 CDT
Thanks to those welcoming me back home, after six months in Central America
(and a part of the Direct Service Council and the Gamenowinik Lodge 555, WWW!)
I'm crossposting this to both Arrow-L and to Scouts-L for the content, and
I'm also sending a copy of this to Tawnya Hartberger (because I take it she
didn't receive my package of stuff I sent from Honduras to her yet).
Her Troop is a part of the worldwide Direct Service Council, which serves
American youth around the world from the BSA's national offices in Irving,
Texas. The Council works like any other Council, to include all programs,
and of course, with professional and volunteers management at all levels of
Josh wrote and asked:
>I know Mike knows the answer, and I sure wish he would check his mail and
>answer for us. I THINK the if they are direct service, they would HAVE to
>get to the nearest troop or scout group that has OA, and have them put on
As I've wrote to Tawnya separately, in Direct Service, the OA ELECTION
can be conducted by the Troop's adult leadership or by OA members either
from the Troop or District, just like back home.
The Order of the Arrow ORDEAL, however, MUST be conducted by members of the
Gamenowinink Lodge (whether or not they are in the same country) OR by any
other OA Lodge with a letter stating that the candidates to undergo the
Ordeal are members of the Direct Service Council and would be members of the
Lodge of the Direct Service Council (in other words, they cannot be counted
as part of the numbers for the "host Lodge").
So, to answer the direct questions of Tawnya:
>>I ASSUME that what we need to do to start a lodge is have the
>>Scoutmaster make a shortlist of all the boys he feels are eligible for
Nope. You cannot "start a Lodge", Tawnya. You can hold an ELECTION for
Order of the Arrow members in your Troop and with those new members as well
as other existing OA members, you can ESTABLISH A CHAPTER (a subbing of a
Lodge; equate "Lodge" with "Council" and "Chapters" with "District or Sub
District" and its the same. Our Council's OA Lodge has fifteen Chapters.
Yours whenever it gets formed or started would become number 16).
I've sent you a copy of the current OA Handbook. Use that as your guide to
conduct the election.
The Handbook has the EXACT SEQUENCE on how to conduct the election. Again,
as I've wrote, DIRECT SERVICE UNITS have permission to conduct the election
without OA representation (because in many parts of our Council, there isn't
any OA members handy to do the election).
>>Then we send those names to Dallas, and have the kids buy the sash.
Nope. Then the ELECTION TEAM sends the names, addresses and the form (look
in the Handbook) to the Council office in Irving. The Council will send
each a letter informing them of their election. They can take that letter
with them (the letter is good for a year!) to ANY LOCAL COUNCIL'S OA LODGE
and arrange to undergo the Ordeal within that Council at their camping
If you're looking to do this there in Singapore, I don't think that's
possible unless you find enough YOUTH ARROWMEN (adults won't work) to
conduct the Ordeal. So, the next best thing is to have a team of youth
from Far East Council to do the Ordeal for your youth (and any others close
by, which is why it's important for you to contact DSC; they may have others
that need to participate in an Ordeal ceremony). The next best thing is to
have those Scouts to take part in an Ordeal ceremony back in the States,
which I'm afraid must be done in your unit's case.
They receive the sashes after their completion of the Ordeal, which is why
you don't "purchase the sashes." They might not complete the Ordeal. When
the Lodge that have conducted the Ordeal has informed DSC, the Lodge will
send Gamenowinink Lodge flaps and other items to the new Arrowmen.
Additional OA flaps may be ordered directly from the Council office.
>My understanding is that the Troop may also elect one adult to OA.
>Can the committee recommend an adult, or a list of adults?
Yes, at the time of the YOUTH election, the adults of the Troop may also
elect ONE adult per year to the Order of the Arrow as well. They too must
attend and complete the Ordeal in order to become a member and their name
and address must also be submitted to DSC to get a letter sent to them as
well. They may also undergo the Ordeal anywhere under any local Council, to
The Council does the "confirmation" that Scouters stateside must receive
from the Lodge Executive Committee. In the OA, adults serve as advisory
members and as sponsors for the youth leaders.
>>When can we hold the vote? Anytime? Twice a year?
Elections are conducted once a year.
All elections are conduced using the CURRENT OA Handbook, which explains the
requirements for nomination into the OA and the entire election process, to
include the script which should be read and used by the election team.
(I'm splitting this into two parts to meet both Arrow-L and Scouts-L's line
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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