Scouts-L Mail Archive for August of 1999: School Night concerns
School Night concerns
Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:46:46 -0700
<-----Scouts-L Striving Scouter
<--Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:06:50 Lawrence E. Faust" <lfaust@ATLANTIC.NET>
Subject: School Night concerns....
<-With School Night coming right around the corner, a question came
<-up at Roundtable on how we should deal with /respond to the
<-inevitable parent's concerns about the gay issue.
<-----Scouts-L Superbe Super Scouter <<fun yet so true
<--Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:55:24 Settummanque, the blackeagle)
Ho!! RT LarryF,
Honduras-MikeW already gave you a good speech angle to reach your
school audience of concerned and inquisitive students, parents,
teachers, etc that may ask difficult questions. Questions like:
What's happening in BSA with the homosexual / GABILEs issue?
What's happened to the BSA and the Eagles with No God issue?
Why doesn't BSA just cave into the money/hollywood pressures?
Why does BSA think it has the right to establish standards?
-Shouldn't anybody have the constitutional right to be allowed
-to be a registered and active Scout Leader?
How about (this or that) TV or newspaper segment or article?
Saying and Being Like Mike for one momento!!
Your Scout or Council Executive's Input is really the right place
to obtain what you should use. I would prefer him/her to directly
address the issue and give you something to use that was official
and the same thing your CE/SE would say or give audiences.
if the SE/CE wants to steer clear, for now, then tell that to your
audience and offer them the Council's phone number and the SE/CE's
name if they would like to press further.
Please remind them that in general most of the US media, being in
the entertainment, and hype type business normally does not report
the issues completely or fairly for everyone involved. If they read
or hear a clip that is disturbing they should call someone directly
involved before spreading bad wealth or getting glued to a media
In reading Mike's reply listed above, as if sitting in your audience,
I thought that you should consider a different angle.
1>Get off the topic pretty quickly.
-Like us here on Scouts-L it will cause lots of emotional flow
-and the time to convert or pacify the few, which may never occur
-in real time, will create lots of negative time and an
-Provide a one pager at the back of the room
-Your SE/CE should be the provider even if he(r) gives you a
copy of a National produced handout / speel.
-If you can convince your SE/CE to have National update the
BSA.SCOUTING.ORG site you can just print it out and direct
interested parties to read the official BSA site.
Nothing is there as of today, yet be my guest and check.
If you think it wise write personally to MN-MikeW obtaining
his permission, his little (c) on the bottom and use what Mike
wrote to Scouts-L as your back of room handout.
2>Postpone till later ANY longer discussion.
Ask those who "just have to" discuss it further to stay for a
short 10 minute meeting 40 minutes after the close of the main
presentation and breakout so you can share more information
including any private IMHO impressions.
YEARS of experience has taught most of us that most people won't
stay, and the few who definetly want to disrupt your main
presentation will be the first not to stay since they won't have
your audience to steal from you. As Shakespeare might have said
"Everyone is an actor on someone else's stage"
3>Share BSA's Leadership Literature
Make some copies, with Council's permission, of some of the
pages that exist for BSA's Adult Leadership requirements.
Let these articles speak to an entire range of Leadership
Questions that are much larger than NJ CA IL's cases.
I am currently on the Scout side so these would be my first
thoughts if presenting to a Scout potential audience. If you
look on the Cub Side you can probably find equivalents.
a>SM Handbook Pages:2-3 SM Leadership Discussion
b>TC Guidebook Page:4
c>SM Handbook Chapter:2
d>SM Handbook Pages:132-134 Sexual Issues through YPP
I looked at some of the Rules and Regulations pages yet IMHO
they are not as usable. Too legal and the print is small so
they might only serve people like me, Bowman, Marsh, Burton,
Steve, our Judge, CPAs, engineers, etc.
GOOD LUCK BRINGING in those CUBS.
Being soon at National as the National Director of Cub Scouts
our B-P SE/CE will be most appreciative and feel fullfilled.
YiS, IMHO, and may we each attempt to live the SO,SL,SS,SM
Mr Dave (Hawleyton, NY (Baden-Powell Council
P.S. Aye Yi Yi I am running far behind on getting messages out,
due to piles of other life stuff yet I didn't want to pass
trying to help on this issue.
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