Scouts-L Mail Archive for August of 1999: RE; I'm Wrong
RE; I'm Wrong
Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:25:44 -0500
Hooo, boooyyyy! Last time I stuck my nose in on a subject like this I got
it bloodied. Guess the scars have healed and I'll try it again. I just
got back from vacation and read through the protracted jousting between
KU-Pete (a friend, I admit) and Chuck. Others joined in too.
I must stand up for Jim and his troop, though he is a good jouster in his
own right. First, there is a repetitive theme that was phrased <snip>"...
However, I do have a problem with the rule that a boy can't register unless
his parent registers also." <end snip.> That's not what Jim said nor was
it his point. But it became a good part of the discussion.
Jim said, quote, "Our troop policy states that if you want to attend
camping activities with the troop you must register, attend SM Fundamentals
(a two weekend, two weeknight course), attend troop meetings regularly."
Nothing about a blanket requirement for parents to sign up! Nor does it
prevent parents from looking in to see what the troop and the boys are
doing. It does discourage the freeloaders. ;-) Of course, his troop and
mine too make every effort to get as many parents as possible signed up and
into productive positions - and yes Jim did discuss that issue. The real
issue of the posting was about camping leadership. (Jim's Saturday response
also helped explain the position that his troop will take Scouts without
So what's my beef? The point of this List is to help others with good
workable ideas, not blast/flame them because of perceived failings in
program. Jim was first responding to a question about leadership, and
explaining what has worked or for his troop.....the point of this List.
Instead it became a rather pointed discussion over the rights/wrongs of one
Importantly, what has worked for his troop HAS built a great troop out of a
troop that nearly died. Died for lack of adult leadership! Jim and a
couple of other Cub leaders graduated into T-55, stepped up, revitalized
the program, asked for adults to help, got their commitment to the program
and made the same commitment to training those adults. Now that troop is
one of the three largest in the district, one of the most active troops in
the area, and one of the strongest. They can't be doing it "all wrong."
And, yes, as someone asked, most of the troops in our district do ask that
adults working with the program and camping be registered. And take
training. It does not make them perfect leaders, but it certainly
improves the chances that they will understand the program and work with it
instead of inventing their own....a lament we hear too often on this List.
We have developed a strong district that way, one that DEs ask to come to
when an opening develops.
So, folks, remember, we are in this for a better program for boys, not the
absolutism of one program. Instead of "Jim, you are doing it all wrong,"
why not "Jim, I think there is a better way. Here is how our troop does it
and why we do it that way." I like Scott's comments about no parents -
only leaders. I think he was responding in the second way. Thanks, Scott.
.....now climbing into flame resistant suit...with nose protector......;-)
Support Services Manager
Morris Systems Support Group - Topeka
Morris Communications Corporation
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