Scouts-L Mail Archive for August of 1999: Re: I'M WRONG re: parent camping
Re: I'M WRONG re: parent camping
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:28:02 -0600
You referenced our troop's policy about those going camping and delivering
the program to our scout need be registered and trained:
>Of course you have, because if the boy wants to be in your Troop,
>one of his parents _must_ register and take the time.
Haven't noticed losing ANY boys because of what you describe. Now we
typically turn away about 20 boys per year, but that's because of our
capacity cap. We counsel them to join other troops in the district. But
most of the other troops in the district have the SAME requirements in
terms of adult attendance at events....in otherwords, you gotta be
registered. That is certainly true if they attend our council camps.
How many boys
>do you lose because they have single parents who don't have extra
>time to do this?
Hmmm, never did this math but will right now because of all the single
parents we have as leaders that I think of, right off the bat.....(pause
here while I get my leader and troop rosters)
We have MORE single parent leaders per scout than we do DUAL parent
leaders. In otherwords, the percentage of single parent leaders is higher
than the percentage of scouts from single parent families!....at least of
those that I can be sure of. Interesting.
How many parents do you have that, deep down, feel
>the policy is unreasonable, but go along with it so their boy can
>have the Scouting experience.
Honestly Chuck, I get comments ALL THE TIME that say, "thanks so much for
giving my son this absolutely FIRST CLASS experience...." Not sure how I
can answer you other than that.
How many other Troops are there in
>your local area?
>_I_ certainly feel that the policy is unreasonable.
>Sorry, Jim, your Troop policy is _flat_wrong_. It may not be against
>regulations per se, but that doesn't meant that you are doing things
Well......not sure I believe that there is a "right" for every troop in
matters such as this.
>I have no problem requiring each Scout's family to help the Troop at
>least _once_ during the year, either by driving, or serving on the
>Troop Committee or a subcommittee. But the rest is horse biskits!
Chuck, we have TONS of parent involvement!!!!! We have parents who
organize and run fundraising events, our family campout, our summer camp
visitation, our troop picnic, on and on ad infinitum, we even have
architects and builders to plan and execute improvements to our
cabin......we just insist that those delivering the program (read, working
directly with the boys) be registered and trained. Because of this policy,
we have been graced with ABUNDANT and TRAINED leadership.
>Not everyone is equipped to be SM. Not every one who is is a good
>one. Not everyone can be a good committee chair, outdoor chair,
>activities chair, or even ASM or MBC.
>One of our Wood Badge skills is "knowing and using the resources of
>the group." If you are building a field stone wall it's not desirable
>to have all the stones the same size and shape. You need different
>sizes and shapes to give the wall its character. The same with
>adults. Not everyone is capable of doing the same job in the same
>way. You use their talents in the way that they can best help, not
>the way you _want_ them to help.
>Your exceptions remind me of a college professor I had one year who
>bragged that he had only given one incomplete - to a young man dying
>of cancer. He refused to allow make up or an incomplete to another
>student who lost his father in another state, and missed an important
>assignement and test while dealing with the estate.
Not following you here.....
>>2. The more training one gets, the more respect they have for the
>>program and the more interested they become in being PERSONALLY
>>involved in delivering the promise.
>_HA!_ One of the biggest troublemakers for me in my Troop is a man
>who has been to SMF, and believes that _we_ can still change the
>rules if we want to.
I've not had a similar experience.
>>3. Training makes them more confident and successful at being good
>>leaders. Everyone wants to be successful.
>Again, wrong. In my experience, you have some people who will never
>be _good_ leaders, no matter _how_ much training they recieve. One
>of them is typing this. I'm too much of a "lone wolf". That's why I
>direct my efforts to RT and places where I can be an example
>_to_the_leaders_, and use my skills there, rather than try my
>leadership skills that are inadequate with boys.
Not getting your point here either Chuck. I guess if you're saying that
everyone has different talents that can usually find a place in the
workings of a scout troop, I would agree.
>>Success breeds success.
>And oppresive rules are still oppresive rules.
So far, no parent or scouter has even mentioned that he considers the fact
that we insist that those placed in leadership positions are registered and
trained to be objectionable.....or oppressive.
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