Scouts-L Mail Archive for August of 1999: Re: Joining Requirements
Re: Joining Requirements
Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:39:29 EDT
Following the discussion re: joining requirements / age /AoL / grade-
It's easy enough to check age (DOB is on the application and no reason for
parent to mis-state).
Usually you know what grade the scout is in.
How do you verify AoL? Do you? If a Scout is not yet 11, hasn't completed
5th grade but checks "AoL" box on the application - do you take it as
correct, or verify some how. A large proportion of 2nd year Webelos
completing AoL in early spring are eligible ONLY because they have AoL. Any
advancement they do between when they join and when they complete 5th grade
or become 11 (whichever happens first) is only valid if they have the AoL
Problem: Webelos completes AoL requirements in late February, Parent and
Scout advise SM that he has done so. CM/WDL confirms this. Scout joins
troop in mid-March, immediately working on advancement requirements. Comes
on troop camping trip at which everyone does a merit badge. Completes
tenderfoot requirements (including BoR) in early June. Completes 5th grade
in mid-June. Except that Pack charter expired in January. To save Pack
treasury $ (or other reason??) none of the graduating Webelos were included
on the re-charter. Therefore, the Scout DID NOT EARN AoL. No advancement
report was filed for any of the supposed AoL's. Does this mean that any
advancement prior to end of 5th grade is VOID?
Neither Scout nor parent was aware that he wasn't registered. The AoL was
presented by the CM. The situation was not discovered until 2 years later
when the Scouts were ready for Star BoR. No one seemed to know what to do,
so the BoR was held and Scout was recognized as Star. Since second class
can't be completed until after Tenderfoot is done, Voiding Tenderfoot also
voids second class. The same thing happens for First Class, and for any
tenure requirements post-first class for Star. Based on present activity,
and attitude, there is little doubt that the Scout will at some point go for
Eagle. At that point, this can be a real problem, if the initial advancement
was VOID, everything that builds on it is void. It may be impossible to
correct, and in any case is unfair to the Scout.
Any ideas about how to set the record straight before Eagle application time?
Note that "Scout" is actually 4 Scouts from 2 different years, from the same
pack. More or less same scenarios, except that 2 of the boys haven't
advanced past first class yet.
FWIW, I now ask for a copy of the AoL advancement report, and proof that the
Scout was registered at that time (membership card or copy of official
charter roster) unless the Scout is 11 or completed 5th grade.