Scouts-L Mail Archive for August of 1999: Fw: Summer Camp Adult Vacations?
Fw: Summer Camp Adult Vacations?
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:53:50 -0400
Dan Smith wrote:
> > Summer camp is very much a growth experience for the boys and the last
> > they need is a bunch of vacationing parents interfering with their
James Wellborn wrote:
> Vacationing hummmm
> I've attended the last 2 Troop Summer camps. At Sidney Dew in North
> Georgia, 3 adults and 16 Scouts drove 499 miles and had a pleasant time
> dispite the heat wave. At LaNoChee in Central Florida, 4 adults
> escorted 18 Scouts and learned a lot thru incredble humidity.
> While both these events were pleasant, and I can tolerate the heat much
> better than the humidity, I wouldn't consider either a vacation.
> IMHO, adults who are wanting to attend need to be aware that they will
> still primarily be observers. A dining hall is not just a large
> resturant. Kids are going to be kids. I learned a lot about the youth
> dynamics of the Troop and was a bit more understanding of their pace.
> I got back tried, not refreshed, and went back to work a day later.
> It is not my idea of an adult vacation.
> The scheduling is for the youth. Troop night activities are youth
> experiences. There are some activities that the 2 camps set up
> particularly for adults. Most were training that aren't so easily
> aquired for some places (Safe swim/afloat/lifeguarding/CPR/etc.) Some
> are entertaining (Belly flop contest, skeet shoot). At no time did I
> hear any staff member even hint that the adult program was a primary
> objective of the camp UNLESS it was to support the safety and betterment
> of the youth program.
> The adults usually wondered to listen to the MB program presentations
> the first couple of days. Any concern was brought to the attention of
> the appropriate Commissioner. Several youth staff (at they seemed young
> to me) were outstanding and unexpectedly professional in their
> expectations and skills. The LaNoChee Scoutcraft youth is going to be
> ... I dunno but if he goes corporate, someone has a real find...
> If an adult thinks that the event will reflect the same event they felt
> as a youth, they need to have a serious sit down talk. The Staff
> (especially at Sidney Dew) is working hard to make the old time fun
> appear to be just a spontanious good ol' time for the Scouts, but if
> they work that hard the rest of the year, they'll be dead before their
> If they go into it with the accurate attitude, it is a decent learning
> experience, and learning should have it's share of fun. But it is
> definitly NOT a vacation.
To clarify what was obviously misread, summer camp is definitely no vacation
for the 2,3,4,5 adults needed to supervise the group, but when you get past
that, there is no reason for the rest of the adults to be there other than
to "vacation". The adult activities at camp are to as you said provide hard
to get training and to inject a little levity and recreation into what is
most times a trying week of supervision for the unit leaders. The original
letter posted on this subject I think mentioned 15 adults with a unit. That
number is unbelievable and certainly unneeded.