Scouts-L Mail Archive for June of 1999: Re: The role of training (was MB counselor registration question)
Re: The role of training (was MB counselor registration question)
Bob & Lorrie Dewar
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:33:30 -0500
Nathan and the list;
You have my OK not to see it again (I'm on training staff and have seen
it a lot more than 4 times in the last 2 years:-)) for a while. To me it has
become clear (as mud to me?:-)) that seeing YP once, has 2 real benefits to
everyone involved in BSA.
The first benefit, and the most important from BSA's viewpoint, is that
if at a later time you do something that does violates YP, then BSA will be
against you in any legal action and BSA will be protected from any legal
action ("Yes Your Honor, the accused DID participate in YP training and then
chose willfully to go against the stated policies of theprogram and the
organization!"). This is known as covering BSA's own butt.
The second benefit, and the most important to us volunteers, is that if
we are wrongfully accused of any form of abuse WHILE FOLLOWING the policies
of YP, then BSA will be on our side during any legal action (Yes Your Honor,
the accused did participate in YP training and was following all aspects of
the program, a program that we have developed with the help of many outside
experts to help protect youth in the Scout program!"). This part is known as
covering your own butt.
I am sorry that you have had to go through this training so often, but
most training courses are being set up so that YP is part of the course, and
you then have to be there to be considered trained.
As for the problem of youth or adult, I would have said 18, but you had
a very interesting(?) setup that I have had no experience with so I will
leave that one to the others on the list.
Congratulations on sticking with it.
UC, The Fox
----- Original Message -----
From: nathan alan beauheim <beauheim@UNM.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: The role of training (was MB counselor registration question)
> Now, before you flame me too much, I AM NOT AGAINST YOUTH PROTECTION!
> What I am against is watching that video again and again and again. I've
> seen the long version four times in the last two years. Is that enough?
> Can I stop now?
> While I'm ranting, is it too much to ask to have some consistent policies
> about youth protection? Just when do I become an adult and have to abide
> by all the youth protection guidelines? National says 18, yet at the age
> of 18, National assigned me to a barracks with some under-18's at National
> Jamboree in 1997. <snip>