Scouts-L Mail Archive for June of 1999: Re: The role of training (was MB counselor registration question)
Re: The role of training (was MB counselor registration question)
Bruce E. Cobern
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:38:09 -0400
From: Sam McNamee <smcname@MANU.COM>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 1:12 PM
>>watch for suspicious behavior in other leaders. A counselor who meets
>a scout once or twice can't tell take on that responsibility and to
>suggest that they should will certainly drive some of them off. Since
>policies regarding MBCs are different than what is taught in the YPT
>(two-deep leadership doesn't apply in this case), there is no useful
>purpose to be served by requiring these people to sit through the
As long as I'm still in my windmill tilting mode, let me take on one
MORE of the more common misconceptions that keeps getting perpetuated.
Two deep leadership is NOT a YP concept, at least not in the sense that
is generally applied to the YP subject - prevention and reporting of
abuse. It IS a LEADERSHIP concept designed to make sure that there are
an adequate number of adults present to provide SUPERVISION under
certain circumstances. The YP concept is the one that deals with three
as a minimum. No fewer than 3 present any time there is at least one
youth and one adult. (It CAN be two youth and one adult.)
It also is NOT required in ALL circumstances. According to the G2SS two
deep leadership is required for all "trips or outings" with certain
exceptions. It seems clear, from the wording, that two deep leadership
is NOT required for meetings.
I can actually make a logical explanation of this. Trips and outings
take you away from normal locations. They often put you in situations
where accidents are more likely and care might be more difficult to
arrange. My understanding of the purpose of this rule is so that if
someone is injured one of the adults can take that person (with at least
one other person) to the doctor, hospital, etc. without leaving the
group with NO adult leadership. The second adult remains with the rest
of the group.
Now, in a meeting situation there are several differences. First of
all, you might be less likely to need medical assistance. Secondly, you
are usually in a location where medical help is readily available by
activation of the 911 system, so the one adult can remain with the
entire group until medical help arrives.
Again, having two leaders at meetings or more than two on trips or
outings is NOT a bad thing, it is just not required and this issue,
while it might be discussed at YPT is not really a YP issue. It is much
more of a supervision and leadership issue. (It is NOT covered in the
YP section of the G2SS. It is in the Adult Leadership) section.
Other than that I fully agree with Sam's post.
Bruce E. Cobern