Scouts-L Mail Archive for June of 1999: Re: Position of Responsibility
Re: Position of Responsibility
James A. Sheckels
Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:04:02 -0400
> -----Original Message-----SNIPPED-----
> On Behalf Of Alan Houser
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:45
> >Not the issue you asked about but I would check if hours you spend
> >working at a Day Camp..(I am assuming you mean a Cub Scout Day Camp) will
> >count towards your service hours. The reason being that these hours are
> >"help scounting" and I know most troop, or atleast most troops that I
> >know of, use the same guidelinesas as for an Eagle Project.
> Not quite. I will allow (and encourage) my Scouts to work at our local
> urban Scout camp for service hours. One of the reasons is that the fire
> department will close it down if we don't keep the weeds cut and the
> eucalyptus raked. But more importantly, it reinforces the idea that the
> Scout himself has ownership of the camp.
Two things here:
First, ONLY with the Eagle service project is there a prohibition against
benefiting Scouting and BSA properties. Any unit enforcing this prohibition
at 2d Class, Star or Life is adding to advancement requirements, which is
BAD, BAD, BAD ;-(. The only requirements at these ranks are SERVICE and
Scoutmaster (prior) approval! Check out the 1999 Boy Scout requirements
(current issue) #33215B for more info, and also the Advancement Committee
Policies and Procedures (#33088B, current issue, page 18.
Second, the only reason Day Camp service would not be countable for 2d, Star
and Life is no PRIOR approval by the Scoutmaster. No other reason I can
> But I do not count the time helping at day camp as service hours, even
> though the camp director gives each Scout a sheet of paper noting the
> hours of service given at the camp. Instead, I explain to the Scout that
> he was working as a Den Chief and therefore gets credit for leadership,
> not service.
And I can find no support for this approach, but plenty of support for that
service counting. If you look in the Den Chief's Handbook or the Junior
Leader Handbook you will see that Day Camp IS NOT in the list of
responsibilities for a Den Chief. Working at Day Camp is going the extra
mile and more. Would you say that a Boy Scout working Day Camp in a
capacity other than Den Chief can count the time as service, but the one in
the role of Den Chief can not? Sounds absurd to me!
Those duties listed in the Jr Ldr HB for Den Chief are (paraphrased some):
Know the purpose of Cub Scouting; Help Cubs Advance; encourage to join a
Troop; Assist with activities at DEN meetings; be a friend; helps out at
weekly DEN meetings and monthly PACK meetings; meet with adults from DEN,
PACK and TROOP as needed; set the example; correct uniforming; live by Scout
Oath and Law; and show Scout Spirit.
These points are the only LEADERSHIP points spelled out by BSA specific to
Note my capitalized emphasis - all the Den Chief does that is required of
him is at the DEN and UNIT level. Day Camp is a District or Council level
event, and it is beyond the minimum leadership or service required of a Den
Yep, he should sure be able to count that service for Star and Life ranks!
PLEASE keep in mind who we are here for - BOY SCOUTS and CUB SCOUTS!!
> >My rules of thumb that I tell parents that ask is: If a flag ceremony is
> >at a troop meeting, it don't count... if it is at the opening of a City
> >Council meeting it do...
WHY? Not what the rank requirements say!
> My instructions are: if the PLC approved it as a troop or patrol service
> project, or if it's an Eagle project, it counts. Otherwise, talk to me
Good start. The PLC. Hmmm...boy led!
YIS, Jim Sheckels-I used to be a Bobwhite,SE-308-7 & US Army 1SG(Ret)
CC/CR, Troop 742, Hope Mills United Methodist Church, NC
V-Chair, Council Relationships Committee, Occoneechee Council #421