Scouts-L Mail Archive for June of 1999: Re: Position of Responsibility
Re: Position of Responsibility
Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:50:34 -0700
><<But I do not count the time helping at day camp as service hours, even
>though the camp director gives each Scout a sheet of paper noting the
>hours of service given at the camp. Instead, I explain to the Scout that
>he was working as a Den Chief and therefore gets credit for leadership,
And someone responded:
>This is an interesting comment, Alan. Would this reasoning suggest that if a
>patrol worked on a service project, the patrol MEMBERS would get credit for
>service, but the patrol LEADER would not (since he is getting credit for
>leadership, rather than for service?) Would that mean that the patrol leader
>would need to step down from his job as PL to get service credit, would need
>to do the work with another Troop or patrol or would need to work in a
>non-patrol environment? Is there a chance that you are discouraging Scouts
>from serving as a leader?
>I understand the normal Scouting policy of not getting credit for two
>different advancements for the same activity. But is there a chance that you
>are adding extra requirements by suggesting that leadership and service are
>mutually exclusive rather than orthogonal?
You raise an interesting point, and I may have to spend some more time
thinking about it.
My first take is, the Patrol Leader exercises leadership by getting his
patrol to the service project (interaction with the Scouts under his
leadership), but once he's there and working, he earns the same service
credits as the other Scouts.
Meanwhile the Den Chief has spent the week LEADING the Cubs through their
The leadership credit is based on his efforts to interact with others,
the service credit for the efforts he has put out to help the community
(including the Scouting community -- to return to the original remarks
If I did accept that slip for 36 HOURS of service at Cub Day Camp, I
could end up with a Life Scout having done no other service than 3 weeks
of day camp. Now, if I could get the camp director to separate out
service hours from leadership....
Alan R. Houser ** email@example.com
** Scoutmaster, Troop 24, Berkeley, California **
** Committee Member, Crew 24, Berkeley, California **
** Boy Scout Roundtable Commissioner, Herms District **
** WWW page ** http://www.emf.net/~troop24/t24.html **