Scouts-L Mail Archive for May of 1999: Re: Vitriolic garbage - come on now!
Re: Vitriolic garbage - come on now!
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:19:02 -0400
On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, tczim wrote:
> BSs does have in common a values based program that has many aspects. We
> could be discussing them!
We are. We've not said anything here that the average HS student hasn't
or won't think of on his/her own.
> How about a debate on retaining older boys, what are the common factors of
Retention: again, the debate over firearms, the Constitution of the US
and/or the UK, and the other two Gs highlight some of the issues these older
boys are encountering and coming to grips with. If we as adults cannot even
discuss them rationally, how do we expect to answer *their* questions?
Questions we, BTW, have taught them to ask by teaching them the
techniques of in-depth analysis and analytical-thinking and all that.
When the youth see _us_ glossing over these matters, they question our
intelligence or feel we don't respect their intelligence.
One cannot reasonably expect to teach a 6-year-old or an 8-year-old to be
"independent" enough to stay home alone for two hours, or to reason
through whether a new acquaintance can be trusted AND STILL have him rely
on one's unsupported "because" when he hits 13. Self-reliance, once
learned, is mighty difficult to relinquish -- ask Christopher Reeves or
anyone on crutches with a cast, or the lady at the drug-store with a cast
on her arm.
> boys who make eagle - who is more influential there - the boy, the troop or
> the family? How about how do we keep those first year kids in for the whole
> year - seems to be the biggest single drop out time. Maybe what are your
> observations re: parent involvement and boy achievement?
It's my observation that the less active the parent, the less likely the
boy is to make Eagle, EVEN IF HE SAYS HE WANTS TO.
Why? I'm not sure. Often it's simply that the parents are less
active because _they_ know their son better than I do and know that he is
saying he wants Eagle because he thinks I expect him to want it. Other
times it's because the parent doesn't feel comfortable around the leaders
(a 6-ft-tall man can be VERY large to a 4ft-11in man or woman; whites
dealing with an all-black leadership corps get a small taste of
minorityhood; the parents are Asian and expect to be rebuffed if they
"interfere" so they don't). And occasionally, it's because the boy feels
he won't be welcome unless he's working on advancement and Eagle is next.
It is also true that we have had some very active parents whose sons
simply did not do a project. We still do not know why.