Scouts-L Mail Archive for April of 1999: Re: Vitriolic garbage
Re: Vitriolic garbage
Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:30:33 -0400
Oh, dear, I didn't really intend to give a history lesson ...
The "German states" in my original comment were Hesse, Hesse-Darmstadt,
Westfalia, Hannover, etc in what is now Germany. In the 1700s, these
principalities, or states, had nothing similar to the Magna Carta.
There were large German populations in New York, Pennsylvania,
Delaware, New Jersey, Maryland and Virginia prior to the Revolution,
mostly from the area known then as the Palatinate (Black Forest area).
German came near as a hair to being our official language.
And, yes, there *are* technical differences between who the Rights
belonged to, but the Rights themselves are not something new or radical,
and the Framers were used to living under those rights as extended by the
British Common Law. They were merely assuring that they would *continue*
to enjoy them. I don't remember what the American State Papers said on
the topic, but there *WAS* a reason they were added as Amendments rather
than incorporated into the body of the document; had I known then what I
know now, I would have put a little effort into remembering WHY. (g)
Cheryl (Guess who had waaaay too many years of Am. Hist?)
On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Steven G. Tyler wrote:
> Cheryl Singhal wrote:
> > What made the Bill of Rights _seem_ radical was that the German states
> > had nothing similar and a large portion of what was then the Colonies
> > were of German descent. (Nothing against the German states, mind, just a
> > cultural difference caused by political facts.)
> Err, what "German states," Cheryl? At the time of the Bill of Rights,
> we're talking about the original 13 colonies. AFAIK, all save New York
> (which was, I believe, originally settled founded by the Dutch, not the
> Germans) were settled by the English (with possible Spanish influences
> in south Georgia and French in New England). I'm not a historian by any
> means, but I always though the bulk of German emigration came later, and
> more heavily influenced the mid-western states.
> [And, for the PC-oriented, by "settle" I'm of course referring the the
> waves of European-dominated colonization that began with Columbus' 1492
> expedition, ignoring the earlier (pre-historical) waves of Asian and
> European immigrants, which created the "Native Americans" subsequently
> 'discovered' by Columbus, et al!]
> YIS, Steve on Cattail Creek (Steven G. Tyler, Esq.) <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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