Scouts-L Mail Archive for April of 1999: Re: Mr. ____ or.....<a reflection>
Re: Mr. ____ or.....<a reflection>
Em & Tony Shipley
Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:35:28 -0500
I found Mr. Dale Karweik's answer to be very thought provoking myself.
I realized that in our Pack we use the Mr and the Ms., but we use it in
front of our first names. I am Ms. Em, there is Mr. Tony, Mr. Troy, Ms.
Yvette, Ms. Stacey, etc. I have always been Ms. Em to kids. As a piano
teacher, Brownie Leader, Neighborhood Mom, Class Mom, Team Mom, and now
as a Cubmaster it has carried on. I know how I began being referred to
as Ms. Em some 20 odd years ago. One of the piano students I had was
taking lessons for his Music Merit Badge in Boy Scouts. He had just
done a report on Emily Dickinson and how she, even though she was
childless, was loved and endeared by all the children who knew her and
they came to call her Miss Em. I have always felt it a true honor that
that young Scout gave me the nickname that has held on for over 20 years
now and even though the young Cubs may not know where that name started
from with me, I always do, and it is humbling to thing someone ever put
me in the same catagory as such a wonderful lady.
Emilie Shipley (Ms. Em),
Cubmaster - Pack 51
Buffalo District, Three Rivers Council
Pt. Neches, TX
Dale Karweik wrote:
> It has very interesting to read the postings on what adults are called by
> Scouts. I was called Mr. Karweik by the members of Den 12 and Pack 417. I
> am called Mr. Karweik by the boys in Troop 417 by my choice and by Troop
> tradition. I am Dale to the Scouts and Arrowmen in Venturing Crew 214.
> In Cub Scouts, I was the adult who developed and led the program my Wolves,
> Bears and Webelos participated in. They were children and I was the adult
> in charge of them.
> When our Troop leadership discussed what we wanted the Scouts to call
> adults when the Troop was formed it was the consensus we wanted to set the
> adults apart from the Scouts. We discussed the need for respect from the
> younger Scouts, the prevailing use in most of the families represented of
> Mr. _______ for adults, and the comfort level of the youth and adults for
> the different forms of addresses. As a result of our discussions we made a
> statement to the boys that adults were not youth. Youth were the Troop and
> were the leaders that made the meetings and activities happen, adults were
> the mentors, advisers and guardians of safety. The different forms of
> address reinforced this.
> When I became the Advisor of Venturing Crew 214, the Scouts asked me what I
> wanted to be called and I said, Dale. My choice I realize now also made a
> statement that Venturers are older, more mature and are assuming a
> different role. They are learning to work with and be adults. They run
> the program with the advise and consent of the adults involved, but the gap
> between them has narrowed. Adults are participants in the decision making
> as members with more resources and experience and as co-participants in the
> final activities. The common form of address seems to reinforce this also.
> Some of the boys are members of both the Crew and the Troop and have no
> problem with me being dale in one and Mr. Karweik in the other. Until I
> read the other postings, I never really thought about the differences in
> the messages I wished to send. It has been instructive to me to do so.
> As long as the form of address you have chosen to respond to is appropriate
> with respect to relatuionship you wish to foster with your Scouts at
> whatever level, I think it is fine. With respect to Green Bar Bill and BP,
> they were not directly working with the boys and attained a level of
> Scouting icon-ship that set them apart. I believe the names they responded
> to were chosen to reduce that gap and make them more approachable.
> Dale Karweik
> Troop 417 Scoutmaster Emeritus and ASM
> Buckeye District Boy Scout RT Commissioner
> Post 214 - Black Sheep OA Dance Team and Construction Crew - Advisor
> Always an Eagle - EC430 Frenetic Fox
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