Scouts-L Mail Archive for April of 1999: The 3 G's resurface... but not for long, we hope <G>
The 3 G's resurface... but not for long, we hope <G>
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:41:06 EDT
Scouter Bob wrote:
<snip rehash of old prejudices implying that we should be beyond them now>
Yep, since it's a rule I guess we can't do
anything about it.
And that's my last word on that. Amen.
My apologies to the list for my, uh, sense
of humor. I haven't had my morning coffee yet.
Looking For The Best From Scouting,
FWIW, Bob, this issue got hashed out extensively here about a year ago when
the NJ Scout leader was getting pushed around for declaring himself after
earning Eagle and acting as SA for a yr or two. With, of course, glowing
records as a Scout and Eagle and SA and nary a molestation in sight <G>.
I took the pragmatic position you take, basically Joe Morgan's, the erstwhile
skipper of the Boston Red Sox, who said,"I'll take a Shi'ite Moslem in a
turban if he'll give me 15 wins by August." I also mentioned the prejudices
of the day when Scouting was in its infancy, and asked if we would, based on
those, also ban women, divorced men, remarried persons, persons who practiced
birth control, Catholics, Jews, blacks and other "natives" (as B-P so
charmingly put it), and so forth as too immoral or otherwise inappropriate
for Scouts. Laughably absurd now, and naively parochial, but big hot topics
in the '20's (and later) equivalent to the present 3 G's now.
As for the "gay-'lifestyle' (read, I wouldn't do what they do in bed)-is
immoral" camp, they are poor moralists and worse Bible scholars. It is well
documented that the early Christian church sanctified gay relationships. The
Bible actually says nothing whatsoever about affectionate gay relationships
as known in today's world. They were sure to have existed, but were not
thought worthy of comment. The oft-quoted verses refer to a condemnation of
straight persons embracing homosexual expression as a fad in violation of
their other obligations. References from real scholars available on request
I was gratified to find, and am still pleased and very proud to report, that
the mail I got from the Scouts-L crowd was overwhelmingly in support of my
position. I was so pleased I printed out all the letters (even the two who
were of the you'll-burn-in-hell-you-faggot-lovin'-GIRL flavor) and saved
them. Rereading them makes me hopeful for both the state of the organization
at present as well as in future.
There are far, far more of the reasonable people than the dinosaurs in
Scouting, Bob. We might not be the ones making the press releases or looking
foolish in lawsuits, but we are the thousands and thousands doing the work
that really counts in Scouting-- running the troops, the events, the
camporees, doing MB counseling and SM conferences, and so forth. We are the
ones who **are** Scouting.
Hang in, work the 12, and deliver the promise to all youth. That'll be enough
to develop character in enyone.
SA T47 Sandwich MA
Cape Cod & Islands Council
Abake MiSaNaKi Lodge #393
NSJ 1997 Nat'l Health & Safety
I useta be an Eagle...
'The staff is old and feeble, and we can sing no more,
So we're getting out of Gilwell while we can!'
PS: and besides, last I read it, the Oath and Law say nothing about
reproduction or urinary excretion.