Scouts-L Mail Archive for April of 1999: Re: shootings in Littleton, CO
Re: shootings in Littleton, CO
Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:59:25 -0500
In answer to Cubmaster Bob Riley's posting:
Read Professor Sanford Levinson's Article, "The
Embarrassing Second Amendment" in the Yale Law Review.
Professor Levinson is an advocate of gun control and
the ACLU's pre-eminent Constitutional Scholar. You may be
as upset about the 2nd Amendment as Dr. Levinson.
There are many "sicknesses" involved in the
Littleton calamity. One of the worst is misusing it to
advance an emotional political agenda. The idea that
youth under 18 should not be allowed to have firearms
is patently absurd. All of my Scouts and Sea Scouts
own and use firearms. My Sea Scouts regularly shoot
pistols and revolvers at our range. Many of them hunt
with them as my sons and I do.
The sad truth is those youth with extensive firearms
training will never use guns violently against another
human being. It is those that attach a mystique to them,
that are barred from owning them, that do not hunt with
them and learn their capabilities, that, coupled with
mental illness, will consider using them inappropriately.
Get your Cub Scouts into the Eddie Eagle Program if
you want to keep them safe.
Finally, I served with many, many youth under 18 in
the Marine Corps. I was very thankful that so many of
them had experience with firearms since early childhood.
Their experience helped keep many of us alive.
My state issues hunting licenses to 12 year olds. Our
experience is that driving to the hunting grounds is the
only real danger involved in hunting.
Gee, get a copy of the National Safety Council's
Statistical tome. Study it and then do your thing.
You have pretty interesting opinions on all of the
Yours In Sea Scouts;
Commodore, Skipper, exRover Scout Leader, Coach,
Scoutmaster, ex Cubmaster, former Rover Scout, Air Scout
(Ace), Sea Scout, Boy Scout, Cub Scout, etc., ad nauseum
PS. Since the NRA is a corporation and their statutory
Annual Meeting was set according to their Articles of
Incorporation, they conducted only the corporate
functions. Further, no one in Littleton asked them to
cancel. It was the virulently liberal mayor of Denver
that asked. Finally, since this tragedy showed that the
NRA is correct about training and education, why should
the NRA feel anything but pride? The ACLU and APA, with
their non commitment, "mainstreaming" of troubled
youths, are the organizations that should hide their
heads in shame!!!
Bob Riley wrote:
> I gotta agree with Dr. Mike. Kudos to you for your
> clear headed thinking and for speaking up.
> While I totally agree that the "Right To Bear Arms"
> has been "used" by the gun idolizers, I will leave that
> hot potato alone.... this time.
> Children under the age of 18 have no, absolutely no
> reason to be able to buy or carry guns. I am sick and
> tired of the gun lobby's and NRA's rhetoric re: if we
> pass one law restricting gun ownership then we will
> pass another and another and so on. Come on!.
> Is the NRA so selfish, so headstrong, so single-purposed
> that they can't see the need/reason to cancel
> their gun show in Denver? Do they care more about the
> people of the land and their sense of security (as they
> use as an excuse to promote gun laws) or arming every
> citizen in the country? This could be their opportunity
> to show us what they really care about.
> Well, I hope they're happy. Those boys were sure
> armed weren't they? They were their own little militia.
> The Littleton shootings were a tragedy nobody wished for.
> Hopefully, this massacre will give people the oomph
> they need to stand up to the gun lobby and fight to
> restrict gun laws in this country.
> It is TOO EASY for children (actually anybody) to buy
> and own a gun to kill somebody in anger. I'm sure
> the gun lobby doesn't want to see anymore of our children
> shot dead. Why not show us that you care about our
> children and help?
> As Scouters we should be in the forefront of the fight
> to make gun laws tougher for children to get ahold of one.
> We Scouters should make a statement and show the
> country that Scouts stand for sensible laws to protect
> our children, our teachers, our people.
> Fellow Scouters please write, call or email your local
> congressmen and congresswomen, your senators,
> Governors and even the President to voice your approval
> of keeping guns out of the hands of children.
> Let's not let these children and teachers die in vain.
> As Dr. Mike stated I welcome private, positive, non-flame
> responses. However, I will post to the list any flames
> fired my way. Let's discuss this as adults.
> Now, if only I can get this posted today. It is already
> 9:05 a.m. Too late already?
> Yours In Scouting,
> Bob Riley
> Pack 639
> Watervliet, NY
> Twin Rivers Council
> It takes courage to have courage.