Scouts-L Mail Archive for April of 1999: Re: I have a dilemma, please help
Re: I have a dilemma, please help
Paul S. Wolf
Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:14:37 -0400
Pam Glidden wrote:
> I discovered that this scout was being told that he could not have a
> SM conference for his Eagle rank until he had paid back the troop. He
> had EVERY other requirement done, except for the SM conference! Not
> knowing what to do at this point, I turned to my District Chairman.
> In the meantime, many meetings were taking place between the parents,
> the scout, and this SM. The SM refused to give them a list of what he
> expected to be done. Each time they met, the SM would build their
> hopes that he would cooperate within the next week. At one point, he
> phoned me on March 30th to ask if he HAD to sign the application by
> the next day. Foolishly, I told him that as long as the work was
> completed before the last day of March, the Scout could turn in the
> paperwork after April 1st. Now, the District Chairman and I have met
> with the SM, some troop committee people, the Scout, and his parents.
> Today the District Chair phoned the council to ask what could be done.
> Council has informed him that the Scout has 2 options. One, transfer
> to another troop. Two, file an appeal. But they caution, the Scout
> MUST stay with the original troop if an appeal is filed, until the
> problem is resolved, or the appeal will be dropped.
My reaction would be to have them turn in the application WITHOUT the
signature, and with a written explanation why.. Then YOU convene the
Dist. Adv. Comm. QUICKLY as an Eagle Board of Review, and approve the
application. You CAN bypass the SM in a case like this. I assume the
Troop CC has approved everything, and it's just the SM that's the
> So, my first question is, since the SM conference is not dated before
> April 1st, does the Scout have to earn Personal Fitness also?
As part of your Borad of Review, you can state that he had the
requirements done by the deadline, and it was the SM that caused the
delay by adding a requirement. So he would NOT need the PF MB.
> Second, can nothing be done about a SM that does business this way?
> This is not the first Scout that he has pulled this on, we have been
> informed! The District Commissioner has been requested to check out
> the troop, but says that unless they invite him to, his hands are
> somewhat tied. Even if he does visit, and observes something
> inappropriate (for example a non-boy run troop); what could be done
> about it?
They should be able to step in as a result of the appeal. This guy
SHOULD be removed ASAP. Contact the COR and/or IH also.
Let us know what happens.
Paul S. Wolf, PE mailto:Paul.S.Wolf@alum.wpi.edu
Traffic Engineer, Cuyahoga County Engineer's Office, Cleveland, Ohio
Past President, Great Lakes Region, Federation of Jewish Men's Clubs
Winding Rivers Dist. Advancement Comm., Greater Cleveland Council, BSA
Advancement Webmaster, US Scouting Service Project (www.usscouts.org)