Scouts-L Mail Archive for April of 1999: Re: The Meaning of the word "Two (or to) at the end of the Pledge
Re: The Meaning of the word "Two (or to) at the end of the Pledge
Ian N Ford
Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:31:39 +0100
>From my days in the CCF (RAF section) ... isn't Present Arms a three stage
movement - throw the rifle up, centre it, then slap the butt and at the same
time turn the right leg ? Our Honour Guard used to put marbles in the
nagazines of the old Lee Enfield .303s so that they would " clunk " nicely.
Another question ... British usage for the hand salute is " longest way up,
shortest way down, i.e. the upward movement is a roughly circular movement,
the salute is held for a count of two, then the arm is brought down smartly.
Isn't the US salute more of a straight up and down mpvement ? I assumed
that the " two " was because when a salute is given on the move the order is
given on the left foot, the sale is rendered on the right foot and dropped
on the right foot - i.e. twop marching paces.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scouts-L Youth Group List [mailto:Scouts-L@LISTSERV.TCU.EDU]On
> Behalf Of DryerMS
> Sent: 31 March 1999 19:26
> To: SCOUTS-L@LISTSERV.TCU.EDU
> Subject: Re: The Meaning of the word "Two (or to) at the end of the
> Ed (et al),
> The (US) military command to cause an assemblage to render a hand
> salute is
> "Present Arms," and to drop the salute the command is "Order
> Arms." One of
> the methods of teaching drill movements to untrained troops is the
> 'by-the-numbers' method, in which movements are broken into steps and all
> the trainees go slowly through the movements step-by-step as the trainer
> commands "Ready, ONE;" "Ready, TWO;" etc. "Present Arms"
> is a one step movement -- at the command "Ready, ONE" everyone salutes, at
> "Ready, TWO" everyone drops the salute.
> Because the BSA does not want to be accused (or mistaken) for being a
> para-military organization it appears to have adopted the commands "Scout
> Salute" in place of "Present Arms" and "Ready, Two" (or just
> "Two") in place
> of "Order Arms."
> Mark Dryer (Retired US Army Drill Sergeant)
> ASM, Troop 1
> Tidewater Council
> Norfolk, VA
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ed Henderson [mailto:biged@SCOUTER.COM]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 1999 12:29
> > To: SCOUTS-L@LISTSERV.TCU.EDU
> > Subject: Re: The Meaning of the word "Two (or to) at the end of the
> > Pledge
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