Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: knots (Commissioner)
Re: knots (Commissioner)
Sun, 28 Feb 1999 03:00:08 -0600
Jim Jaeger asked me to respond and also to post to the list; it's a
good reminder of what's out there....
Jim Jaeger <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote and asked:
>I'm turning to you as I won't see my pro's until thursday. Several
>of us were discussing the Arrowhead Honor and training key & know
>for the various commissioner roles at today's Commissioner's
>College. It appears that the knot is the same as the Scouter's
>Training knot. The medal looks the sames, with the exception that
>the ribbon has a commissioner's crest printed on it.
The Arrowhead Honor Award is a silver arrowhead (looks like a very
large Cub Scout Silver Arrow Point, with more detail) which is
earned by Commissioners for basic skills knowledge and for
participating as a Commissioner in a series of tasks designed to
make them aware of their importance to the BSA's unit service arm.
They wear the Arrowhead with the arrow pointing upward immediately
under the badge of position (the Commissioners' patch) and the
TRAINED strip. The Award is ONLY designed for Commissioners to
wear; it isn't appropriate for wear under, for example, a
Scoutmaster or Pack Committee emblem.
There is a really nice certificate that goes along with it. The
Award is earned once as a Unit, Assistant District, District,
Assistant Council, or Council Commissioner. It's a goal that every
District, Division or Council Commissioner should set for ALL of
their Commissioner staffs!!
The Scouters' Training Award can be earned by members of Pack,
Troop and Team Roundtable Staffs. The same award medal for former
Cub Scouting leaders, as well as for Boy Scout, Varsity Scout, and
Sea Scouting leaders is used. To denote that the Award was earned
as a Commissioner staff member, a small gold Commissioner device is
attached to the medal's ribbon.
Unit, District and Council Commissioners and Assistant District and
Council Commissioners earn the Scouters' Key Award as a
Commissioner as well as the Distinguished Commissioner Award.
>Several of us already have the Scouter Training knot. If it is
>indeed the same, how would we designate what was earned under the
The square knot emblem representing the Scouters' Training Award is
a green knot on khakitan background (or on khaki background for the
older uniforms; there's also a green knot on white background or on
dark blue backgrounds for the Sea Scouter's uniform and a green
knot on a kelly green background for Venturing leaders and older
Exploring leaders...those other knots are NOT PRODUCED PRESENTLY BY
THE BSA and must be purchased through persons and agencies that
have them available for sale.)
There are several devices available to distinguish the different
"versions" of the Scouters' Training Award earned. These are the
same devices worn on the youth religious emblem knot emblems, the
Scouters' Key Award knot emblem, and in some cases, the
Professional Training Award and Youth Leadership in America Award:
*A Cub Scout device is worn by those Scouters earning the Scouters'
Training Award as a Cub Scouting leader (prior to 1990).
*A Boy Scout device is worn by those Scouters earning the Scouters'
Training Award as an Assistant Scoutmaster or Troop Committee
(This same device is worn on the knot of the Professional Training
Award to denote the earning of the Professional Circle Award and on
the Youth Leadership in America Award knot to denote receiving the
Award as a Boy Scout Senior Patrol Leader)
*A Varsity Scout device is worn by those Scouters earning the
Scouters' Training Award as an Assistant Coach or Team Committee
(this same device is worn on the Youth Leadership in America Award
knot emblem to denote those whom have earned the Award as a Team
*An Exploring device is worn by those Scouters earning the
Exploring Leader Training Award (the Exploring "equal" to the
Scouters' Training Award) in a variety of positions
(This same device is worn on the Youth Leadership in America Award
knot emblem to denote earning the award as a Post President)
*A Sea Exploring device is worn by those Scouters earning the Sea
Exploring Leader Training Award (the Sea Exploring "equal" to the
Scouters' Training Award) as either Mate or as a member of the
Ship, District or Council Committee
(This same device is worn on the Youth Leadership in America Award
knot emblem to denote earning the award as a Ship Boatswain)
*and coming will be a Venturing device to represent those Scouters
earning the Venturing Leader Training Award.
A Scouter earning the Training Award in more than one program may
choose to wear additional devices to represent the program(s) in
which he or she has earned the Training Award in the same way that
a youth member earning a youth religious emblem in more than one
program may wear a device to represent which program(s) he has
earned the award in.
Some Scouters have found it extremely hard to place more than five
devices on the knot. The devices are worn centered on the knot in
the desired order of the wearer. Most Scouters choose to wear the
device(s) in the order of how they earned the representative
IN ALL CASES, the knot represents the medal earned and is worn
informally by the Scouter. During formal occasions, ONE Scouters'
Training Award is worn with devices attached to the ribbon in the
order of the Scouters' choice denoting which program(s) he or she
has earned the Award through.
Cub Scouters may wear both the old Scouters' Training Award knot as
a Cub Scouter (if earned prior to the start of the 1990 program
year) and the current Den Leader, WEBELOS Den Leader, and/or Cub
Scouter Award knots, because the requirements and tenure are
different for those awards. Former Exploring leaders may earn the
Venturing Leader Training Award (when available) but wear only ONE
knot...with devices denoting which program(s) the Award was earned
These same guidelines go also for the Scouters' Key Award, which is
earned by the "Key Scouter" at unit and now at District level
(Commissioner and Committee).
(Exploring leaders received a lapel pin in the same design as the
medal portion of the Key and Training Award. They may purchase an
actual medal and device for formal wear upon approval from the
Hope all of this helps you out, Jim, as well as other Scouters that
wondered "if I can't wear two of those knots, how do I get to show
the fact that I've earned it twice?"
This will be, along with some scans illustrating the awards and
knots, to the Insignia site tommorrow; I'm updating the site to
include some of the previous topics we've discussed here as well.
I invite you to take a look on Monday (don't try it Sunday, as I'll
be scanning and adding those extra pages!!)!!
The Unofffical Uniform and Insignia site is located at
(c) 1999 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") email@example.com
http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle Burnsville, MN 55306-7130 (612) 435-3068
privately at firstname.lastname@example.org or email@example.com
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