Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Physical Fitness: I have had it. I am flaming!
Physical Fitness: I have had it. I am flaming!
James H. Moss
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:57:15 -0700
Kids who do not have dishwashers at home pass textiles MB quicker because
they are use to washing things.
Fat Kids pass swimming MB easier because they float.
Tall kids get more athletic scholarships to college because they play
Intelligent kids get more scholarships to college because they are smarter.
Short people do not bump their heads when walking through trailers.
English kids become better Eagle Scouts because they sound like Lord
1. Everyone has a problem. (Mine is stupid comments on this discussion by
people who believe that everyone should be an Eagle.) Scouting is suppose
to teach you how to grow and either live with or overcome your problems.
Being fat is not a problem you need to live with for 90% (or more) of the
people in the word.
2. Becoming an Eagle Scout has no value if everyone is one.
3. Your value of a unit leader is not rated on the number of Eagle Scouts
TRY TO FIND A LIST ANYWHERE IN ANY COUNCIL OFFICE OR AT NATIONAL LISTING
SCOUTMASTERS AND HOW MANY EAGLE SCOUTS THEY PRODUCE. ONE DOES NOT EXIST.
The only place that list exists is in the mind of those SM who want to beat
their chest about this accomplishment. The reason the list does not exist
is, it does not matter. Eagle is a path, not an end. Eagle is training for
the long haul, not the accomplishment.
My SM always stated how many Eagles our Troop had. That included numbers
before he became associated with the troop.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WAIVING SWIMMING AND WAIVING PHYSICAL
FITNESS? Based on comments in this list, both should be waived, so Eagles
can be fat non-swimmers. Where will this end.
Let's waive MBs, and service projects and Life, Star and First Class. Join
up, pay your money and we hold an Eagle Court of Honor for you.
I have no basis for the next statement and I say it knowing it is wild and
off the wall, but I suspect those that want to waive swimming cannot swim.
Those that want to waive fitness are not. Those that want to waive can't.
Those that want to waive, probably spend most meetings with other SM's
talking about how many Eagles they have and how many they have coming up.
SCOUTING ACCOMPLISHES MORE WITH A TENDERFOOT WHO DROPS OUT, AND DOES NOT GO
TO JAIL THEN ALL THE EAGLE SCOUTS SINCE TIME BEGAN.
So far, the some on this list believe Majority of young men who don't reach
Eagle do so because they either cannot swim or aren't fit. Someone do some
research. I think it is important to learn which group is right. DO KIDS
NOT REACH EAGLE BECAUSE THEY ARE FAT OR BECAUSE THEY CANNOT OVERCOME A FEAR.
OR MORE IMPORTANTLY DO KIDS NOT REACH EAGLE BECAUSE THE HAVE A SM THAT
DECIDES IF I CAN'T DO IT YOU SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO EITHER.
Do you quick working with the fat kid when he joins the unit because you
know he will not make Eagle. That is bigotry. Bigotry is when your own
beliefs prevent someone from accomplishing something.
"This requirement in my opinion is a bigoted attack on large kids."
The Bigotry in this statement is held by the author. The belief that a
"large kid" can't overcome and grow.
>From the moment, I joined Scouting until Life I looked like a fireplug. If
did not keep moving dogs came over and started sniffing at me. If I put my
hiking boots on, I was like a weebble, knock me down I just came right back
up. (If you don't believe this, there is at least one member of the list
who can verify this!) I became an Eagle Scout. I ran and completed
marathons. I learned to climb mountains all over the world. I still have
to work hard not to look like the Goodyear Blimp. Even when working out
several hours a day, I carry too much extra weight. I learned to overcome
"MY PROBLEMS." They were not my SM problems or anyone else's. My SM is
still in better shape than I am. If I wanted to become an Eagle Scout, I
had to do something about it.
What makes me even madder is having the youth enlist the services of someone
else to help him prove he is lazy. Find a doctor that will give you a
letter that says....
I have a true story about finding doctors. I was a program director at a
camp one year. I just happened to wonder up on the rifle range on Monday
morning. It was a new camp and the range was mattress on the ground. The
ground was hardpacked Ohio clay. One young man lying on the ground with a
round in the chamber stood up. I was on one side of the mattresses looking
across four kids lying down. The range instructor was on the other side
looking across three kids lying down. The standing kid was in the middle,
rifle at his shoulder, glazed look in his eyes shuffling his feet in a
circle. The instructor was just back from Nam and told the kids not to
move. (He also dug a foxhole in that clay pack.) The instructor quietly
talked to the kid, but was getting no response. The kid moved the muzzle
past me and towards the instructor. When he moved past the instructor, the
instructor yelled now and with a barrel coming around to me, we rushed the
kid. I do not believe I have ever hit someone that hard in my life. An
eleven year old, who probably did not weight 100 lbs., was hit by two men
running full speed both over 6 feet tall. The kid went down, the rifle was
grabbed, and the kid did not even act like he had been hit.
Later after we transported the kid to a hospital. We called his doctor.
The MD stated the mother talked him into not putting his mental condition on
the Physical because she did not want the other kids to make fun of him.
Thanks Doc, you took a few years off my life.
No one got hurt, except the young man was pretty black and blue for a while.
Living up to the Scout oath and law means be able to talk other people into
lying for you!
Quick making excuses for people and for life. It "was someone else's
fault." "Traffic made me late." "You owe me." Accept responsibility for
who you are and what you are. Teach the youth in your protection the same
thing. Get off your butt and work at what you want to accomplish and you
will accomplish it.
Don't respond, I don't want to hear the lame arguments. I would rather see
young men who can deal with the world, accept responsibility for who they
are and what they are and live a long and good life. As an attorney and a
human being, I see enough of those who sidestep, whine, and tell others why
Yours in Scouting
12340 W. Alameda Pkwy., Lakewood, CO 80228-2841
Eagle Class of 69, Vigil, Denver Area Council