Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: What's new at National?
Re: What's new at National?
Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:00:39 -0600
Thanks, Judy, for the confirmation about Cub Scout Wood Badge!!
This has cleared up 58 email questions sent to me about the future
of CS Trainers' Wood Badge!
Judy Yeager <jscout@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>I have just returned from our every other year Council Wood Badge
>Reunion Dinner. It was a nice evening of Wood Badge fellowship.
>The keynote speaker was John Alline of the Training Division at
>National. Just as he thought he was finished, I couldn't stand it
>any longer, so I asked, "Is there any truth to the rumor that Cub
>Scout Trainer Wood Badge is being discontinued?" He left the
>podium to retrieve his notebook so he could present the official
>prepared statement, then decided he didn't need it. In short the
>answer is, "Yes." Reasons given -
>l. They have studied the effects of having Wood Badge trainers
> working in the Cub program and determined that it does not result
>in more trained Cub leaders.
>2. They have had trouble filling courses.
>Implementation schedule? The courses to be held this summer
>(1999) will be the final CSTWB courses.
Here's what I posted earlier about those two issues:
The reason for all of the concern about the course is that in the
review of the course, National's seeing that many of the people
attending the course don't stay around in Cub Scouting long
afterwards. This is a systemic problem, Melissa and one unique to
The average tenure of a Cub Scouter is four years; many Cub
Scouters are the parents of Cub Scouts, so it's natural that once
they "finishing going through Cub Scouting" with their child(ren),
they're ready for Boy Scouting, where the tenure "rate" isn't much
better (three and half years). However, unlike Cub Scouting, Boy
Scouting offers more "options" (OA being one of them; outdoor
activities like Philmont are others) for adults to become active in
after their Scout son(s) have either moved onward or continues to
stay in a unit.
The bigol' question has been "How do we recoup our "investment" in
those attending Cub Scout Trainer Wood Badge without insisting that
they remain Cub Scouters after the training's over?"
The drain is caused on two fronts: on one front, you have the Cub
Scouters that want to attend a Wood Badge course and do at year
three or four in their tenure. They spend another year or so
afterwards, but then is lost to Boy Scouting and all of the
"possibilities" over there. The other front are local Councils,
eager to host CST Wood Badge and have developed a small core of Cub
Scouters that remain to train and coach fellow Cub Scouters...it's
hard, many volunteers tell National, to "get into that clique" and
thereby the "clique" dies eventually and with it the Council's rep
to "get people to go to CST Wood Badge." ("Why?? I won't be able to
do anything with it..."X" and "Y" are still going to run training
courses and everything...why bother??")
Sometimes we really forget why those courses even exist, I feel.
Thanks again, Judy.... while it's bad news, at least it'll give
those Cub Scouters concerned to please write to the National Cub
Scout Committee and the National Volunteer Training Committee and
let them know of your disappointment!
(c) 1999 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") firstname.lastname@example.org
http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle Burnsville, MN 55306-7130 (612) 435-3068
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