Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: New Arrow of Light Requirement
Re: New Arrow of Light Requirement
Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:33:04 -0600
Don Izard asks a really great question:
Donald R Izard <dizard@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU> asked:
> h m m m m m . .. . . ?
> If is OK, / allowed for a boy to register as a Venturer
> and a SCOUT - and earn ranks or awards in both programs
> WHY then could a boy not still be Awarded the AOL -
> just because he joined a troop ?
The reason is because of the age grouping, and BSA rules which
prevent a Cub Scout from being a Boy Scout too.
The reason why a youth can register as both a Venturer and as a Boy
Scout (or Varsity Scout) is because of the age limits (Boy
Scouts/Varsity Scouts until age 18; Venturers until age 21). So
there's a overlapping of age brackets which allows youth registered
in both programs to earn awards designed for their program while
being a member of the other.
Cub Scouting and Boy Scouting don't have that overlap, Don, and
that's why they cannot participate in both programs and earn both
Boy Scouting ranks (Tenderfoot, Second Class...) and Cub Scouting
ranks (WEBELOS, Arrow of Light) at the same time.
The basic problem is when a unit turns in a new Scout application
to the local Council, and the Council accepts it, the individual
becomes a registered Boy Scout. Unless the Registrar is very aware
of the fact that there are Cub Scouts that have not earned the
Arrow of Light already that have Boy Scout applications in the
Council office, once a Cub Scout's application is in the office,
and processed, he becomes a Boy Scout and for all practical
purposes, the Cub Scout's advancement trail ends.
I've had two Registrars to post me privately and let me know that
they still process the Cub Scout's advancements even though he's
registered as a Boy Scout, and I've responded back that this would
present some serious problems down the road with regard to the
youth's actual registration; under the new SN2K system, such
"backdating" of awards won't be permitted at all, because from what
I understand the Cub Scouting advancement "screen" will become
"read-only" once the data has been entered which reveals that a
youth member is a Boy Scout. I've also stated that I believe that
the BSA's Administration Manual doesn't allow for such "backdating"
between advancements (this prevents a new ten-year old WEBELOS from
going back and earning Wolf and Bear; he's just missed out on it.
He can of course, earn Bobcat and must earn Bobcat before he can
work on the WEBELOS and/or Arrow of Light). I don't know of any
changes to that manual since the copy I have is dated 1993. (If
there are, pros, please post me and let me know so I can update my
But it's still a great question....
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