Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: ScoutNet 2000 (our moms's are still 29)
Re: ScoutNet 2000 (our moms's are still 29)
Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:59:42 -0600
Here's what I wrote privately to Julian in response to his
Julian Love <julianlove@HOTMAIL.COM> asked:
>Bill Cooper <wcoop237@PACBELL.NET> wrote:
>>The dang program held me hostage until I put a date of birth
>>for one of the two parents. I used 01/01/59 for all . . .
>>we can get a patch to correct this BUT then the scout net
>>feature will not work.
>"Settummanque, the blackeagle - Mike L. Walton"
>>Nope, it won't work because the parent's date of birth won't
>>"match up." The software should enable you to do your paper
>>management job easier, not to raise your blood pressure.
>I have two questions? (1) How did the Council get the birthdate
>for a parent in the first place such that it wouldn't "match up"?
>From the Scout application or from the adult leadership
application. Both ask for the date of birth of a parent. Councils
use the information for "marketing purposes" (for instance, if they
know you're in your 40s or 50s, they'll make a special effort to
reach you about SME...it was one of the holdovers from the earlier
days (my days, the 50s and 60s) )....
>A parent's DOB is not requested on a Boy Scout application form.
You're sure?? I've got an older application here which asks for
that information as well as where the parent works at.
>(2) Why does the Council need a parent DOB on each Scout
As I've wrote earlier, the parental DOB is an holdover from earlier
days whereby the BSA and local Councils used it as part of its
financial support goals and procedures. They would find all of the
parents that are a certain age, and target them with special
mailings and personal visits. The parental DOB has also been
"tagged" as an element which can be "traced" back to individuals
whom the BSA has deemed "undesirable" and therefore are not issued
>I just spoke with our Council's Senior Registrar, and was told:
>(1) They do not presently have parent DOB info (unless, of course,
>the parent might happen to be registered as an adult leader).
That's because not all Councils keep the same kinds of databases,
and some Councils have long dropped the parents' DOB and workplace
>(2) IF SN2K does in fact require a parent DOB (which she did not
>know, but was alarmed enough to say she would immediately check
>within the Council, and National if necessary, to find out), but
>if it were required, it would be a monumental task to collect and
>input that info on all currently registred Scouts.
Not really. New applications would be required to be completed by
all youth members, just like when the new adult applications were
required to be completed by all currently registered adults to
"capture that information" as well. National is creating new youth
applications which were supposed to be released this last fall...it
will probably wait until after the first of next year. The new
applications will be streamlined to add all essential elements
which Councils will be required to input under SN2K (I like that,
>And finally (on a side issue), (3) our Council does NOT in any way
>shape or form give out or sell registration info for marketing
>purposes; registration info is held in tight confidence and given
>out carefully on a need-to-know basis. This policy is strictly
>enforced by the Scout Executive. It would be quite shocking
>to know any council would do otherwise.
Money talks, Julian. There's been cases whereby a large bank in one
instance; in another instance, a large national food chain...have
asked for listings of Scouters and Scouts residing in certain areas
of the Council's territory in exchange for a "sizable donation to
the general fund and a large donation toward the building of a new
camping facility." The names and addresses were used in marketing
new products and existing products for "families."
(I also added to Julian that the BSA on a national level has in
it's past released names and addresses of Scouters to
"Scouter-friendly organizations; however, since 1989, the BSA has
DISCONTINUED this practice by direction of Chief Scout Executive
Ben Love (a cousin, maybe?? *smiling*).)
(c) 1999 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") email@example.com
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