Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: New Arrow of Light Requirement
Re: New Arrow of Light Requirement
Bruce E. Cobern
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:53:04 -0500
> From: Ted Burton <scouter@VALINT.NET>
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 10:05 PM
> At 03:00 -0600 on 2/16/1999, Settummanque, the blackeagle - Mike L.
> Walton mailed Re: New Arrow of Light Requirement:
> > But Scoutmasters, this is a CHANGE and we have to go with the
> > wording of the CHANGE. But PLEASE, DON'T TURN IN THE APPLICATIONS
> > until AFTER the WEBELOS receives the Arrow of Light!!
> Isn't this like Eagle: you earn it if eligible when earned; the award
> can came later. Why cannot a Cub Scout have earned the Arrow of Light
> before the paper was turned in, and receive it later?
Actually, I see this as a problem for a number of reasons. First, as
has been noted, the Webelos Scout might not actually be joining THAT
particular troop, even though he "turns in" the application to meet the
However, there is lots of circularity going on here. One of the
requirements to EARN the AoL is now to turn in the application.
However, one of the requirements for registration as a BOY SCOUT is to
have EARNED the AoL. So, unless the Webelos Scout has completed all
the other requirements for the AoL at the time he submits the
application to the troop, he has not yet earned the AoL and, therefore,
is not yet eligible to join the troop. Thus, if the SM submits the
application he is registering a Scout who is not eligible to be a
This gets further complicated by the problem in those councils which
record the advancement on the registration database that once the boy
is in a troop he is no longer in a pack and, hence, he can no longer
earn the AoL and thus become eligible to register as a Boy Scout.
(All of this assumes that the boy is not yet 11 nor has he completed
the 5th grade, either of which would make him eligible to join the
troop whether or not he has earned the AoL.)
It seems clear that this was a poorly thought out requirement change.
The cynic in me says that it was done to increase the "crossover" rate
and inflate the Boy Scouting numbers by being able to treat every
Webelos Scout who earns the AoL as a Boy Scout, whether he ever
actually becomes an active member of a troop or not. But, hopefully,
the cynic in me is wrong and it was just sloppy drafting. :-)
Bruce E. Cobern