Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: Non-Official Square Knot Availability
Re: Non-Official Square Knot Availability
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:59:22 -0600
Rich Locke asked:
>I am wondering too.
>I get the sense, from a quick reading of the Insignia Guide, that
>the National Council has to approve *in advance* local awards that
>will be worn as part of the official uniform. Temporary patches,
>CSP's, Lodge flaps - I can understand those being pre-approved and
>delegated to the local council but, square knots?
Remember what the (square) knots are for, Rich: they represent
"medal, pendant or other awards presented to Scouts and Scouters"
for specific reasons; they are worn informally on the field uniform
instead of the actual award, medal, etc.
And like the other items, the Council Scout Executive (and ONLY him
or her) has been given written permission from the BSA's Uniform
and Insignia Committee to approve "awards consistant with National
and/or local Council programming or program support" as listed in
the current Insignia Guide (and all previous ones, only that in the
past, the Council Scout Executive didn't have that consent).
Remember that ANYTIME that the Council Scout Executive approves an
award, device or emblem, he or she MUST send TWO copies of such
item to the National Office for concurrence (basically if the
Council Scout Exec approves it, National will most likely go along
with it; square knots *may be* a little hard to push through from
the national end, but seeing how there's four or five Councils out
there already with knot emblems, I don't see the tide changing).
However, the National Uniform and Insignia Committee has the FINAL
SAY on any insignia or uniform item, as it should be.
>Has anyone else done this? Can anyone point me to a reference -
>not an interpretation or opinion but, a reference?
Look in the current Insignia Guide, Rich. I don't have mine handy
but there's a statement that gives the local Council the authority
to authorize and create "insignia and other uniform items" for
their Council's usage with "consent". The authorization for the
Scout Executives comes from a memorandum sent from the Advisor to
the National Uniform and Insignia Committee to Scout Executives in
1993 which gave them the authority to "self-authorize" insignia
along with the stipulation that such insignia can be
"countermanned" by the Committee and that two copies of each item
is to be sent to the Committee for evaluation, storage and
The original intent of that memorandum was to speed up approval of
special "Jamboree Shoulder Patches" for that year's Jamboree and
related materials which in the past was all sent to National
awaiting approval, and in most cases, were approved right on the
spot by the professional advisor to the Committee. It was a good
Hope this all helps out!
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