Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: Non-Official Square Knot Availability
Re: Non-Official Square Knot Availability
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:00:12 -0600
Eric Jude <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote and asked about special square
knots for his unit:
>The medals are not a problem to make (Saint George medallion and
>white ribbon). Additionally, I have spoken to my Council and they
>have no objections to us using square knots for regular uniform
The only question I have is "why square knots?" Why not overhand
knots, or bowlines, or some other knot? I understand that the
majority of Scouting's special awards have associated square knots
with them...but there are unit awards that have been developed
using other colored knots.
>The problem is getting the knots. I have spoken to numerous
>patch companies, and they have quoted me prices of $1.25 to $2.50
>each with a minimum order of 50 - 75 (total minimum price $62.50 -
>$125). We expect to award no more than two each year (one adult
>and one youth) and I cannot justify spending that much right now.
When my Explorer Post developed the Silver Scouter (with the silver
square knot...I know, I know; it wasn't my decision!), they
purchased 100 of the knot emblems and sent 20 of them to various
Scouting museums and groups for "safekeeping" in exchange for a
donation of at least $5.00. This helped to underwrite the cost of
the emblems. The rest remained with the Post to keep for future
Each "holder" of the Silver Scouter got five knot emblems to wear
as part of the award. Additional ones could be purchased by
sending a check for $10 per knot to the unit. The charge also
allows for the emblems to be underwritten as well.
You may want to consider making your award available to other units
in your District or Council; especially since the Council wouldn't
be responsible for "ponying up the costs" of the emblems nor knot
emblems. It could "catch on" and become something that your
Council or District may want to pubicize as well.
>I am wondering if any of you know of Troops that have created
>their own awards and have had knots made. If not Troops, then
>patch companies that may have alternate color square knots
As far as I'm aware, Eric, there's not any patch firms that will
sell you "pre-made" knots, at least not any of the more "up and up"
When you do create the award and knot, please let me know; I have a
section of the "square knots" of the BSA webpages devoted to
unit/district/council "knot emblems" and a brief description of
what it takes to earn it; along with a scan or illustration of what
the knot emblem looks like.
The page is part of the Unoffical Uniform and Insignia site
Hope this all helps out!
(c) 1999 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") email@example.com
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