Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: Scout Net 2000 Access
Re: Scout Net 2000 Access
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:00:10 -0600
Harry Simmons gave some great and very valid comments about the
Scoutnet2000 "interface" which is being fielded in BSA local
I want to add a couple comments to his:
Harry Simmons <Harry_Simmons@IBM.NET> wrote:
>The net of our current understanding is:
>1) There is / will be NO access to ScoutNet 2000 via the Internet.
>ScoutNet 2000 is a closed, proprietary intranet built on a
>nationwide frame-relay network connecting to routers / hubs in
>most council offices. This network had been out-sourced /
>contracted out to AT&T for installation and management (ours in
>Occoneechee is already installed).
ScoutNet wasn't designed to allow you and me, the volunteer, to
access ANY of the components of the system. The idea of ScoutNet
is to streamline the administration of Scouting, to provide more
current and up-to-date ("real time") stats concerning the units and
individuals within our local Councils, and to streamline many reams
of paper and paperwork that local Councils and their professional
and professional-technician staffs had to do every day.
>3) Each Council Scout Executive has been or shortly will be asked
>to list the Scouting Professionals who he/she authorizes to access
>ScoutNet 2000, what applications they are authorized to use, and
>to sign & certify that list.
And as new employees are hired by local Councils, the "pieces of
paper" that they have to sign and agree to will include an
acknowledgement statement which basically says "I'll have access to
personal information of my youth and adult leaders and if I break
that trust by providing elements or entire sections of that
information to individuals or corporations, I am history and the
BSA may decide to haul me into court or jail or both as a
>The Council will pay a $$ fee per certified user. It is the
>Council's responsibility to immediately notify National
>should an authorized Professional leave Scouting.
Actually, they will contact a Regional staff person being given the
additional responsibilities of "ScoutNet administrator", who will
remove the access and any information concerning that professional
from the shared directories.
>Also please note:
>You or I, as valued Volunteers, could go into the office and
>request the use of a terminal to access the information on
>ScoutNet just as we might have, in the past, accessed information
>on the local council's HP/Unix system.
>Don't waste your time trying.
While Harry's right about this, we STILL will be able to access the
information THROUGH OUR DISTRICT OR COUNCIL EXECUTIVES, whom must
be present to "punch the keys and move the mouse." This will
include "uploading data from Nationally-approved databases (like
Troopmaster (tm) and others)." District Executives and Council
staff members will be responsible for the uploads and if anything
goes wrong, that's where the blame will go too.
Be forewarned; because of this, many professionals are really
shying away from the ScoutNet stuff and most don't want to even
have to deal with it!!
>The whole purpose of the CSE
(In Harry's case, "CSE" means Council Scout Executive, what many of
you call the "Scout Exec" or the "Council Executive". I point this
out, because the actual "CSE" means "Chief Scout Executive" and
it's unlikely that Chief Radcliffe will be approving all 4000+
>certifying each professional who will have access is that each
>user will be issued a userid / password that enables them to pass
>a Cisco Security "gatekeeper" in Irving that controls / limits
>application access on a per user basis.
>Should a professional "loan" you his userid / password, I
>suspicion the penalty will be harsh - but that's up to the BSA H/R
>policy. In the company I work for, it is grounds for dismissal.
>From what I understand, Harry, it will be grounds for removal from
the profession and possibly loss of registration status, depending
on the degree and "reasoning" for the "loan."
(c) 1999 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") email@example.com
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