Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: Forms and Troopmaster 2000
Re: Forms and Troopmaster 2000
Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:59:34 -0600
Scott Patterson <scottpat@NETDOOR.COM> wrote and asked:
>We just used our first Troopmaster 2000 Tour Permit (local) this
>week! We were so proud of it, it is so simple, it took all of 45
>seconds to produce and it looks great and easy to read, BUT we had
>one problem. One of our District Directors would not sign it!
>Has anyone had this problem or is it a local issue that we need to
This is a local problem. Offically, the BSA doesn't approve *any*
computer-generated forms, but there has been word (I can't find a
copy of the May, 1996 memo sent from the Council Support Division
to "the field" (Council Scout Executives, Regional staff and Area
Directors) stating (my paraphrasing here) "computer-generated forms
are OK as long as they contain the exact same information and
formatting as the official forms and as long as the *local Council*
approves their usage") that says that they're okay to use.
I believe that the current Advancement procedures booklet does
speak of using electronic versions of the Advancement Report as
Take this matter up with your Council Scout Executive, Scott. As
the chief administrator of your Council, he or she can give quick
approval of your Troopmaster (tm) forms. It may be just a matter
that your District Director doesn't understand that the forms are
identical and therefore he's concerned about risk management (as
all good executives should be, I may add!). Showing the Council
Scout Executive a copy of the CURRENT LOCAL TOUR PERMIT (remember,
the form's changed!!) and a copy of th Troopmaster (tm) form (which
SHOULD be the same...I understand that the company making the
software did update their forms package with the newer versions of
the forms...if not, bug them about getting the updated forms!!) and
everything should work out.
But remember, Scott...it is HIS or HER DECISION whether or not to
take the electronic forms (just like it is his or her's sole
decision to take forms sent via fax or email!). If he or she says
"nope, we're gonna use the standard BSA forms," the discussion ENDS
there...no "national appeal". Every local Council is free to
determine their own policies concerning forms and forms management.
But if the forms are identical, you shouldn't have any problem
whatsoever in convincing him or her that the time saved in
electronically preparing the Tour Permit results in a
better-looking, clearer and faster Permit-- which results in
getting your Scouts outdoors more times!!
Hope this helps out!
(c) 1999 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") email@example.com
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