Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: Postings To Scouts-L
Re: Postings To Scouts-L
Lynn R Oakleaf
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:39:23 -0800
Thanks for your reply. And I understand what you are saying. But lets take
the camping MB conversation as an example. A boy must have 20 nights of
camping in a tent pitched by the boy. So when he goes to a summer camp (and
7 days of summer camp are OK to us toward the MB), does he have to pitch the
tent or can he sleep outside under the stars? If he sleeps outside, then it
doesn't count because he didn't pitch a tent? Shouldn't he have to strike
and repitch the tent every day for it to really count? If he's backpacking
and they are coming into camp late, he's the cook for the night and his
tentmate pitches the tent while he prepares the meal, then that night
doesn't count because he didn't pitch the tent?
A requirement for Tenderfoot is to sleep in a tent that he helped pitch.
For Second Class it is to sleep in a tent that he pitched, so we already
have 2 demonstrations. As he continues on campouts he'll be pitching tents
many times, so he should have the experience by the time he has 20 nights.
In fact, according the the 1999 Boy Scout Requirments, the Camping MB
states, and I quote, "Camp out a total of 20 days and 20 nights. Sleep each
night under the sky or under a tent that you have pitched. (You may use a
week of summer camp as a part of the 20 days and 20 nights.)"
So in fact, a scout could sleep under the stars all 20 nights and never
pitch a tent. The only tent pitching that a boy did would be for Second and
I guess the key question is that "IF" he sleeps under a tent it must be one
that he has pitched? If he sleeps under the stars that night qualifies, but
if he's in a tent that the camp staff pitched it doesn't count? Many of
these tents are on platforms, so has he really gained any experience in tent
pitching in the wilderness.
Let's go one step further, if he sleep under a rain fly it doesn't count
because it's not a tent and he's not sleeping under the stars?
And while we're at it, he can count one week of summer camp toward the MB.
Now is that 5 nights? 6 nights? 7 nights?
We can second guess the committee that wrote the MB requirment all day long
( and all night long if we're in a tent that we pitched ourselves). Is
anyone posing these questions to National---OR, MAYBE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE
WRITTEN A BIT LOOSELY TO ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY.
Our Scoutmaster likes to say that the requirements should be approached with
"absolute rigid flexibility"---you go for the intent of the requirement, but
are a bit flexible in the application.
As to your comment about a boy being denied for such reasons, I'm not sure
what those reasons are. If a boy is transfering, and he's partially through
a MB, he should have those completed checked of by the troop he's leaving
and be able to continue on from there. If you're talking about be denied
for Eagle for a MB he's completed and then he transfers to a new troop, the
"NATIONAL BSA ADVANCEMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES" Manual says that " a MB
cannot be taken away once it has been earned, provided the counselor is a
registered counselor for the merit badge" (under Merit Badge section).
THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
From: Gladys Jenner <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: Lynn R Oakleaf <oakleaf@VALUE.NET>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Postings To Scouts-L
>You need to realize that some on us have been around BSA for many years,
>thus we get into discussions that may seem nitpicking to you but to us
>it is a way of keeping a 'level playing field' for all the boys. If I
>allow boys to count something for a MB that would be taboo in another
>area and the boy were to move there, it would lessen that MB to him.
>With todays 'mobile' society, these boys may be in several troops in
>different states before they make Eagle, and would hate to learn of a
>boy being denied for such reasons.