Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: Posting To Scouts-L
Re: Posting To Scouts-L
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 03:00:11 -0600
Jim Peterson <kupete@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU> wrote and asked:
>Ed Dunn wrote about the Scouts-L group:
>Another point while we're at it, if the internet is growing at
>some phenomenal rate, how come Scouts-L isn't too?
Scouts-L HAS grown at a great rate; the greatest rate occurred
between the end of the first Scouts-L "ground meeting" during the
1993 National Scout Jamboree and the second "ground meeting" during
the National OA Conference a short time afterwards.
Considering that we started out with 34 participants in 1990 to
today's well over 3000, that's a GREAT INCREASE!
>>Maybe it's time we do some recruiting for this group?
I'll have more on that in a short bit!
>I absolutely agree with Ed! I tell everyone I know about this
>group...also helps when you see a posting that is a "WOW!", to
>print it out and hand it out at Roundtable. I'll bet I take at
>least 3-4 postings to every roundtable. Tonight at committee
>meeting I will hand out another.
>But it seems to me that we are growing some. Seems like when I
>first started lurking around here I noticed that there were only
>800 or so on the list. That was about 3-4 years ago. John, what
>are the stats?
Jon's automated listserver provides the current stats of our list
for anyone to review; simply send the following command to the
unmanned listserver (email@example.com)
You'll get back a confirmation that says that you're not
"authorized to review the list". What that actually means is that
only the listowner and those he authorized by name or email address
can actually GET the complete listing of names and email addresses.
That's for our OWN protection and keeps folks from using the email
addresses and names in some electromarketing role. (For those
concerned, MY name is NOT listed as one of the authorized names
that can cull email addresses; nor is anyone associated with
_Scouters_ Magazine or any other Scouting support venture).
You'll then get another posting which provides information about
the list: who runs it, where it's located physically, who gets
bounced email, and others whom have permissions to "fix problems"
in the absence of the listowner (when he takes off for Philmont or
summer camp with his Troop)!!
Then, you'll see a listing like this:
* Total number of "concealed" subscribers: 29
* Total number of users subscribed to the list: 2624
The first numbers are those who have "asked the listserver" NOT to
reveal their names and email addresses. These are professionals,
senior BSA volunteers and others whom have chosen (and *you can do
so also, if you like*) NOT to have their email address nor name
revealed to anyone other than the listowner.
The second numbers are those whom have subscribed to the list as of
the time-date stamp of the email request.
Add the two together and you have today's "peg count"...2653
Scouters get EMAIL postings from us.
Those numbers are misleading, and here's how I calculate the "total
numbers of readers of Scouts-L":
*I take those numbers above and add them together.
*I then add 340 (to represent the people who read Scouts-L through
old fashioned BBSes or in paper form at Roundtables, Committee
meetings or through "transposition" of Scouts-L to other online
*I then add 1000 to the number to represent the approximate number
of hits to the Compass.Scouter.Com website which has made
available a "gateway" to Scouts-L for those unable to get daily
email to their boxes but still want to participate. You can read
the daily postings to Scouts-L but you can't post through their
website. (Big Ed and Pete, I realize that the average number is
low, because you guys get an AWFUL LARGE number of daily hits.)
That number gives me the "peg count" I place on the whiteboard here
in the office every 15 days:
2653+340+1000= 3953 participants.
Now, how can you help promote our "daily Roundtable meeting that
*SHARE THE POSTINGS. The good stuff and the bad stuff. The
Internet already has a "negative rep" from many parents and
Scouters....it's the place where all of that BAD STUFF happens.
Well, prove it to them that not everything found on the 'net is BAD
or NEGATIVE. But also share the stuff that you don't agree with.
Use the list as a springboard for discussion within your unit,
District, Council or group.
*POST. A large number of our daily discussions originate with
someone simply posting "Hey look...I've got a question and I want
to know..." Many people have told you (and you should listen to
them in this one case, because it's true!) that "there's no such
thing as a stupid question" or an "weird question" or a "question
which someone else has probably asked before." Do take some time
and read the archives if you feel that a question has been asked
before and you don't want to "tire us all out with that same
question" again. On the other hand, if you want to ask the same
question, just ASK IT. Believe me, after answering the same
questions dealing with the changes to the Eagle advancement trail,
the changes between Exploring and Venturing, and the new BSA
materials being made available, it may SOUND like a broken
record...but to YOU, THIS IS THE FIRST YOU'VE HEARD OF THIS ALL!!!
*READ AND SHARE. I cannot emphasize this enough. Leave the header
information on the printed copy of our postings. People will ask
what Scouts-L is and that ADDS to our exposure. Share the
information with your professional counterparts, with your fellow
unit members, with your parents. Some Scouters include some of the
nicer "reflective pieces" (one of the reasons others and myself
POST them here!) with their families through unit newsletters or
other materials. But don't just turn off the machine and say "Man,
that was great!!"....give your printer a good workout!!
And then GIVE THEM COPIES WITH THE HEADERS TO OTHERS!
*DON'T SPAM and GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE!! Please don't send
the same "reflective posting" to everyone you know and every other
list you're a part of. Part of the reason why this list has such a
good rep is because we limit the amount of "crossposting" to those
that have a SIGNIFICANT IMPACT upon the members of OUR list. On
the other hand, if there's something here that really made your
day, share it with your online friends AND tell them where you've
got it from!! They may want to get their OWN copies!
*FOLLOW THE FEW RULES WE'VE GOT. This list has an amazing
reputation for fairness, openness and for being
non-confrontational. While we all have room for disagreement, for
diverent viewpoints and for interpretation of various documents and
publications, the bottom line is that we're all trying our best to
answer YOUR questions, to be of support to YOU and to make YOU feel
proud of what you're doing for youth and for others in whatever
role you're taking on. Those rules were developed after our first
few years and have been modified as new forms of communication
forced us to make the changes. And that's what makes the list run
as so smoothly and unhampered as it does. Believe me, gang; if
you've been on some other mailing lists, you'll actually give a
deep sigh of relief when you reach us and the way we handle
conflict, disagreement and opposite viewpoints!
*FINALLY, USE SCOUTS-L. I am simply amazed at the amount and
wealth of resources that's available to me, a field worker, every
day, literally 24 hours a day. I can't beat this with any library
anywhere...because while the library will give me the "words", it
doesn't give me the emotions, the feelings, all sides (or as many
sides as I want or need) of the issue or problem or question or
item. Use Scouts-L as you would a library...we're here because we
want to share what we know with you and we would want to know what
you know or think about what we're doing!
If you do those things, the list will grow. It's been proven. It
I'm very proud of the people behind the scenes as well as in the
forefront in making this list one of the highlights of being online
and a part of a youth organization. Our national youth
organizations actually look to this forum as one way to "take a
real pulse" of their organizations, because we care about what we
do and about each other...and we want to make whatever we do even
better as time goes onward. But because of several layers of
concern, we won't see anyone officially here providing us answers
and that's a true shame.
Hope this resolves both your concern as well as Ed's and anyone
else's that wondering "if the Internet is growing, why doesn't it
seem that we're growing??"
We are. Don't let the fact that we only send and receive 50
postings a day sway you otherwise!
And keep up the GREAT WORK, EVERYONE!!
(c) 1999 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") firstname.lastname@example.org
http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle Burnsville, MN 55306-7130 (612) 435-3068
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