Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Greetings from IRVING -* can* you deny a youth membership???
Greetings from IRVING -* can* you deny a youth membership???
Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:08:09 EST
And if I go four miles down the road I could probably get all of you letter
and verse, but I have a relationships meeting in half an hour and can't go
Anyway, Yes a CO can deny membership by telling the SM and/or Committee not to
sign the form.
HOWEVER if the situation is something that will be confrontational already
(last one I had was an atheist who is now doing jail time related to hitting
his kid to "put the fear of God into him" - I kid you not) when the unit
recognized the name they came to council for advice and the decision was to
have them submit the form completely but the council refused it because it
came in - and again, I kid you not - with cash with every "GOD" scribbled out,
with an appliation with every reference to "GOD" or religion crossed out.
Council then was the one to deny the application.
This has a couple advantages. Its is not the CO who can be sued (remember why
Exploring was shifted to LFL? You didn't know? It was because ACLU learned to
stop suing BSA and start suing CO's and if public money was involved - like
police and fire posts - they started winning), its BSA.
So if you have a question like this, where you don't know whether to keep a
youth or accept a youth, present the entire situation to your DE and enforce
on them that YOU NEED A ANSWER YESTERDAY ON THE SITUATION. He can go to his
next up on the chain and get opinions and come up with a plan of action that
protects the unit and the CO (if necessary). Realize that means they can tell
you its all in your hands or accept the trouble themselves, but they should
realize this is something that must be answered now and react with the best
possible option for all involved.
And if they DON"T respond like you needed the answer yesterday get on the
phone and don't hang up until you get the answers you need.
If you go to a DE he'll tell you one thing, and then tell an SE who might tell
you something else, because each will concentrate on different parts of the
story. Make sure they all get the same information presented to them before
you say "one says this" and "The other says that".