Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Jam des neiges
Jam des neiges
Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:34:28 -0500
I was glad to see Jean-Francois Lagarde's posting about Jam des neiges.
Jam des neiges offers Scouts a unique jamboree experience at a very low
cost. The Jam des neiges fee, which includes heated tents, other group
equipment, and food for 10 days, is Cdn $450 which is currently about US
$300. We are planning on a Chief Okemos Council contingent to Jam des
neiges and will charter a bus to and from Quebec City. Even with the cost
of the bus, we will be able to keep the total cost of the jamboree
experience under $500 per Scout or leader.
One concern I have about Jam des neiges is the minimum age requirement.
Jam des neiges requires that all youth participants must be at least 14
years old on January 1, 2000. There are several Scouts in my troop who
crossed over from Webelos dens two years ago and will be in the 8th grade
and Star or Life Scouts in the 1999-2000 school year, but will be unable to
meet the minimum age requirement for Jam des neiges because their 14th
birthday will be after January 1, 2000. It is difficult to tell Scouts
with this much experience that they don't meet the qualifications for a
troop activity. I will copy below an email message I sent to Jam des
neiges a couple of days ago expressing my concern about this minimum age
International Representative, Chief Okemos Council, BSA
Scoutmaster, Troop 180, East Lansing, Michigan
In forming a Chief Okemos Council contigent for Jam des neiges, one
question I have been asked several times is about the minimum age
requirement. Your literature states, "Girls and boys born between January
1, 1981 and January 1, 1986, therefore Between 14 and 18 years old,
inclusively, and who are members of the World scout organization or members
of the World girl guide and girl scout association, can take part in the
Jam des Neiges with permission from their national association." and I
understand that this is your policy.
The problem that this presents to us is for a group of Scouts who will be
in the same grade in school (8th grade in 1999-2000) and will have the same
Scouting experience (almost 3 years in Boy Scout troops by December, 1999).
According to the policy you have set, some of these Scouts will be able to
participate in Jam des neiges because their birth dates are before January
1, 1986, while the rest of them will not be able to participate because
their birth dates are after January 1, 1986. I realize that an age cut-off
must be set at some point, but it is unfortunate that your age cut-off date
splits Scouts who are in the same grade in school and have the same
Since we do not feel that Scouts in the same grade in school and with the
same Scouting experience should be separated by their birth dates, we
decided to set the minimum requirements for our council contingent to Jam
des neiges that a Scout be in the 9th grade in school in 1999-2000. That
elimiinates some Scouts who meet your minimum age requirement, but we
believe that this is a fairer policy.
The most challenging of the Boy Scouts of America's high adventure bases,
Philmont Scout Ranch, solves this problem in a different way. They state
that a Scout may participate in a Philmont trek as long as, in the year he
participates in the trek, he is either at least 14 years old on January 1
or is completing the 8th grade in school. We would certainly appreciate
having you establish a similar grade-in-school requirement for Jam des
neiges. If we could say that any Scout in the 8th grade in school in
1999-2000 could participate in Jam des neiges, we would have be able to
offer this exciting once-in-a--lifetime experience to many additional
Thank you for your consideration.
Yours in Scouting,
Chief Okemos Council, Boy Scouts of America