Scouts-L Mail Archive for February of 1999: Re: Camping MB (kinda long)
Re: Camping MB (kinda long)
Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:44:03 -0600
The other day, in response to Mark Whiting's questions about what
exactly counts for Camping MB, I wrote: "Camping with your family
counts, camping while you were a Cub Scout counts, camping with a church
group or other youth group counts, camping with some of your buddies
counts, camping by yourself counts, even camping in your backyard would
seem to meet the requirement, so probably counts, too."
The part about "camping while you were a Cub Scout" certainly stirred
things up! I've had lots of earnest, well-reasoned replies (and a couple
of snotty ones).
Before I explain my reasoning, let me assure you that this is very much
a theoretical discussion. I don't know of any scout in our troop who has
used camping nights from begfore they were scouts to earn this badge.
Our troop offers more than 20 nights a year of camping (yes, even here
in Minnesota where you can lock your car with a bucket of water), and so
should any program worth its salt. I'm also firm about asking for "no
more and no less" than the stated requirements for any rank or MB. If we
don't insure that Scouts do all the requirements for a rank or MB, we
are cheating him.
Anyway, the objections to my position boiled down to two:
A. "You can't count any work done before a boy becomes a Boy Scout,"
2. "You can't count any work done before a boy gets a signed MB card and
meets with a MB counselor."
I've checked and rechecked the Boy Scout Handbook (10th and 11th
editions, the 1998 and 1999 Boy Scout Requirements, and the National BSA
Advancement Policies and Procedures manual, and I can't find either of
these restrictions anywhere.
There are two, and only two, places I could find (2nd Class, requirement
2a., and 1st Class, requirement 3) that specifically state "SINCE
JOINING, have participated in...".
For Star, Life and Eagle, the leadership and service requirements must
be completed while a 1st Class/Star/Life Scout
It's reasonable to infer that if National had intended one of these
conditions for other requirements, they could have said so, but since
they didn't they don't apply.
National could easily clear up this whole dispute if they want to,
merely by adding a sentence or two to the Requirements book or the
Advancement Policies and Procedures manual.
Short of that, I'm reasonably certain that we won't resolve the
differences of opinion on this topic any time soon.
I like to keep in mind a sentence from the Advancement Policies &
" A Boy Scout badge recognizes what a young man is able to do; it is not
a reward for what he has done."
Good luck & good Scouting,
CC, Troop 597
Eden Prairie, Minnnesota