Scouts-L Mail Archive for November of 1998: Re: Possible "new" Eagle requirement
Re: Possible "new" Eagle requirement
Calvin H. Gray
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:32:08 -0600
Ron Raab-Long wrote:
> The example he gave was a scout who went to his church and asked his
> pastor what service he could perform. The pastor pulled out a list of
> people in need, and recommended the scout work with a particular older
> lady who needed several things taken care of. The scout organized a
> group of people, gathered materials, and spent several days fixing up
> this lady's home. Our AC told us that as of next year, this will not be
> acceptable. One, because it's "normal maintenance" and two, because the
> pastor told him what had to be done.
> Also, no landscaping projects will be approved unless the scout plans
> everything associated with the project - what to plant, where, why,
> etc. If effect, the scout has to have professional landscaping skills.
> The kicker, in my opinion, was that he further explained that *council*
> would reject these projects, even if they had been approved by the
> district and completed by the scout.
> It seems to me, and to many others, that this is adding another
> requirement. Historically, Eagle project approval came from the SM,
> Troop Committee, and District Advancement Committee. Now our Council is
> saying that they have final approval - but don't even see it until after
> the boy is done!
> Has anyone else heard of this in your Councils?
No, I haven't heard of any impending changes to the guidelines for Eagle
Placing the described restrictions on a landscaping project seems to be
"adding a requirement" to the process. I've never heard of the other
type project where an individual receives the benefit. Personally, I
would not approve this type of project by an Eagle candidate in my
troop. This sounds like a good troop "service project" but not an Eagle
I do know that each council decides whether or not Eagle Project
proposals are approved at the district or council level. If your
council has delegated this approval down to the district level, the
council has no say in the approval process.
If, on the other hand, the council has decided to approve projects at
the council level, they have the right to set up guidelines as long as
these are in line with what is in the "Eagle Scout Service Project
Workbook" and the "National BSA Advancement Policies and Procedures"
Once a project proposal is approved and the boy has led it to
completion, and the completed project has been approved by the troop,
the district or council cannot "disapprove" a project as any
"disapproval" must be done by the members of the Eagle Board of Review,
which does require a representative from the district or council.
Calvin H. Gray
Scoutmaster, Troop 405
I used to be an Owl (WM-62-2-98 @ Philmont)