Scouts-L Mail Archive for November of 1998: Re: Bad Advancement Dates on Eagle App -- What do I do?
Re: Bad Advancement Dates on Eagle App -- What do I do?
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:20:10 -0800
You can't have the BoR without the council's signature, and their main job
is verifying the dates and records. Have they signed the application? If
they did, they fouled up, because their signature line on the app says they
are certifying that all the dates are correct.
My advice: Contact the Scout and tell him his application has date
problems. Tell him you can't hold a Board until the problems are resolved.
Tell him to contact his unit advancement chairman and start getting the
dates straightened out, then resubmit the application. It's the Scouts
application, so the Scout should be responsible for fixing it. Also if you
do feel you have some reason or responsibility to contact the unit directly,
in my opinion you should be trying to contact the unit chair or advancement
chair instead of the Scoutmaster. The Scoutmaster is responsible for seeing
boys advance, not for record keeping, and you've got a record keeping
Here's how we avoid this sort of problem in our district: the Scout turns
their app into the district Eagle coordinator who checks the app for missing
information and errors such as date problems. If there are problems, the
Scout is advised and works with his unit to fix them. About 1 in 10 has
problems. Next it goes to the district advancement chair, who checks all
the dates against the district files. About 1 in 5 has problems with
missing records or dates that don't match. The district advancement chair
works with the unit advancement chair or chairman, or sometimes the
Scoutmaster, to figure out what's wrong with the dates. Sometimes he goes
to the council office and researchs their records. Finally, we turn the app
into council, who does their thing and signs it. This is not the standard
way of handling Eagle apps, and was created in our district 3 or 4 years
ago. Not all districts in our council do it this way, but the council likes
the way we do it because our apps never have problems. We figure we save
every Eagle candidate a couple of weeks in the council in-basket, we get to
track what's going on so the paperwork doesn't get lost, and the district
gets a spot audit and repair of its records each time, which reduces
problems for the next Scout.
Committee Chair, Troop 573, Woodinville, WA
District Vice-Chair and Eagle Advancement Coordinator
North Lakes District
Chief Seattle Council
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 01:51:11 -0500
> From: Robert Prager <pragerfamily@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> Subject: Bad Advancement Dates on Eagle App -- What do I do?
> An Eagle Application came in to council with following months, verified by
> advancement reports:
> 1st Class, April 96
> Star, May 96
> Life, July 96
> Obviously, if these dates are right, he didn't have time in
> grade for Star or Life, but appears to have fulfilled everything with
> respect to the Eagle Requirements. Apparently, attempts to get in touch
with the boy's
> Scoutmaster have been unsuccessful. The boy is 16. Any advice before the
> standing Eagle Board-of-Review meets on November 18th?