Scouts-L Mail Archive for November of 1998: Re: SCOUTS-L Digest - 11 Nov 1998 to 12 Nov 1998
Re: SCOUTS-L Digest - 11 Nov 1998 to 12 Nov 1998
William C. Roswell
Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:38:59 -0600
I asume you are a doctor since you can diagnose that 90% of kids don't need ritalin
>I taught school and had todiagnose ADHD. In my experience, 90% of the kids that
were identified as
>ADHD were simply bright, active, BORED children who had found a perfectly
>reasonable way to not be held accountable for their actions.
If your not a doctor then you have ABSOLUTELY no business putting information like
this out to SCOUTS-L or any other place.
Do you have a child that has ADD or ADHD or is otherwise disabled? If not, then you
don't know what it is really like. And no they are not just simply bright, active,
BORED children, but disabled children whose disabilities just don't show.
You have really done a disservice for all of those parents and children that really
have ADHD or ADD.
Troop 241 Tulsa
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> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:31:07 +0000
> From: Lorie McGraw <llmcgraw@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> Subject: Flaming is costing us our Scouters: It must stop
> Hi, Mohava, I just got the digest that your post was in. The Scouts-L
> server has been down and not mailing out the Digest form of the List to many
> of us (those of us with .NET and .COM in our domain names, why us? Don't
> know, has some cybergeek explanation somewhere) since last Wednesday
> (Nov.4th postings). One of my friends that is on the list sent me his
> copies of the digest and that is how I came across your posting, I am sorry
> I am so late in responding, but I am sure that you also were not getting the
> list, and you have mistaken that for censure. It is not that way, believe me.
> Oh, honey, please do not sign off of the list just because some
> ill-mannered and cowardly louts flamed you!! We gals have to stick
> together!! There are a few dinosaurs and meanies that lurk on the list and
> get really upset if you dare to touch on their little domain. And one of
> the really hot topics is ADHD and Ritalin. I taught school and had to
> diagnose ADHD. In my experience, 90% of the kids that were identified as
> ADHD were simply bright, active, BORED children who had found a perfectly
> reasonable way to not be held accountable for their actions. They needed
> more work, tighter discipline, and a figurative kick in the pants. The
> other 10% were truly disabled. They needed more work, tighter discipline, a
> figurative kick in the pants, and maybe a bit of chemical help, plus
> heavy-duty coping and socialization skills. And you know what else?? I am
> one of them (I find out at age 40++ So who knew??). No Ritalin for me, my
> drug of choice is coffee (lots of it!!), and this latest discussion on the
> list made me realize why I can drink a cuppa joe at 11pm and go to sleep
> just fine. And why I drive my friends and family nuts by being a dingbat.
> Anyway, 'nuff about me, please please please come back on the list.
> I have been tuned for about 2.5 years now, the cycles of rudeness ebb and
> flow. We're in one right now, and it should end soon. Please do not let
> them make you a casualty. I have gotten some great information off of the
> list. And if you ever need hints or helps, post a HELP sign on the list and
> there will be many who will come to your aid (Me!Me!). There are some real
> bozos, too, so get that asbestos underwear out for when the flames come. I
> gets me Irish up a bit when that happens, and I like a good verbal
> Donnybrook on occasion, but mostly what I like is the warm friends that I
> have made on Scouts-L. Please stay. If you have left, please come back!
> Lorie McGraw
> Webelos Leader and so much more
> Columbia, SC
> [PS: This next bit is not directed to you, Mohava, but to the louts and
> ruffians that lurk and flame (yes, you over there, you know who you are) who
> are exhibiting such unscoutlike behavior >:-< Shame on you and take that
> behavior off of the list now, please! And if you feel that you just have to
> call ME to accounts, then come on! My asbestos undies are securely fastened! ]
> >Subject: Getting the boot-flaming too hot! Now I'm not :(
> > my response in defense of myself and others that take a realistic,
> >layman's approach to termanology, and personal knowledge of AD/HD
> >medications cost me my membership in the community I enjoy being a part of.
> ><snip> I avoided posting directly to the list for
> >quite a while, because I saw a lot of flaming going on. One day, I made a
> >grave mistake and posted to the list, on what became a hot issue. I received
> >a response that upset me, and said what I thought in a response. Now, I
> >don't get the list mailings. Nothing has changed on any other scouting lists
> >I am on, so I can only presume it is do to my response to a post directed at
> >me. I miss learning from you all, but if this how it is to be, so be it.
> >Mohava D. Zinserling (real name, usually sign Mohava only. Thought Mohava
> >was more personal, don't like last name too much-love my husband though.)
> >Leader,Brownie #77 Santiam Council
> >Coach, Tiger Den Pack #30 Yaquina
> Lorie McGraw <email@example.com> Webelos DL Pack 410
> Etowah Creek District Indian Waters Council, Columbia, SC
> Slide Show Neckerchief Slides: http://home.att.net/~llmcgraw/etowah/slides.htm
> "Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."